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Ian Kelly
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Post by Ian Kelly » Thu 11 Aug, 2011 22:18

I’m selling my June ‘98 M Roadster that I bought last October. Date of first registration 30.01.1999. Arctic silver with all black interior, with a sensible 50,600 miles (rising slowly as I use it on sunny days!).

I viewed 5 roadsters before buying this one, and ended up driving to Cornwall (from Liverpool!) for it after a lengthy exchange of e-mails \ phone calls \ pictures. MOT 1st March 2012, will tax to end of February 2012.

I’ve not owned the car very long, but I bought the car for a specific reason; to do this year’s road trip to the Alps in with my other half and a group of car loving friends. It didn’t miss a beat on the trip and didn’t use a drop of oil in the 3k mile trip. It makes a good noise too!

The car’s service history is comprehensive; I have a thick file of receipts and I’ve summarised the history in a spreadsheet. The car has been well cared for by its previous owners, and I too have looked after the car, and have spent a significant amount of time and money refurbishing it underneath. I’ve probably spent over 100 hours working on it and bringing it to what is hopefully mechanically great condition, with some very subtle improvements. It lives in a carpeted garage and the previous owner also garaged the car, and apart from the holiday it hasn’t seen rain while I’ve had it.

The service history is as follows, I’ve noted when the Vanos filter has been changed by the independent garages. The main dealers will have replaced the filter as required. As you will see, the car has been serviced at very short mileage intervals –

23/09/1998 – 0 miles, BMW Blue Bell, Crewe, Pre-delivery check
10/09/1999 – 1,387 miles, BMW Blue Bell, Crewe, Running in check (very important this is done at c1200 miles).
13/10/2000 – 7,739 miles, BMW Blue Bell, Crewe, Oil service
19/01/2002 – 13,676 miles, BMW Blue Bell, Crewe, Inspection 1, brake fluid
02/07/2004 – 18,597 miles, Atlas BMW Specialist, York, Oil service incl. Vanos filter
24/03/2006 – 28,332 miles, Atlas BMW Specialist, York, Inspection 2 service incl. Vanos filter, brake fluid, coolant
09/05/2007 – 32,531 miles, Atlas BMW Specialist, York, Oil service incl. Vanos filter, front discs \ pads
04/03/2009 – 35,522 miles, GRS, Burnley, brake fluid change
05/06/2009 – 43,895 miles, Hickleys, Bridgewater, Inspection 1

I purchased the car 23rd Oct 2010 at 45k miles -

18/11/2010 – 46,009 miles, David Paul BMW Specialist, Warrington, Inspection 2, Vanos filter, brake fluid, coolant tested ok

The car is currently showing 2 green lights, so won’t need another service for a while, and won’t need another Inspection 2 for a long time.

In addition to the above regular services, the car has had the following items attended to prior to my ownership, along with other smaller items not listed –

29/10/2004 – 21,367 miles, Atlas BMW Specialist, York - Install AC Schnitzer suspension, £744 fitted
20/11/2004 – c22k miles, BMW Scotthall, Leeds, new rear window, £116
01/04/2006 – c28k miles, Atlas BMW Specialist, York, new roof pump, £223
27/06/2006 – 29,816 miles, GRS, Burnley, Install H&R anti roll bars, £353

Since buying the car last October at 45k miles, I have comprehensively refurbished the front and rear suspension and brakes, and have attended to numerous other items –

New windscreen wipers
Autoglym hood cleaner and protector (50% left, will include in sale)
Autoglym leather cleaner and protector for interior
4 Michelin Pilot Sport 3 tyres, cost £440 whilst on promotion (was £550 originally) – premium tyres, only done 4k miles
Installed nylon seat bushes to cure rocking seats (common Z3 problem)
Fitted magnetic stone guards to protect the rear arches
Fitted a tonneau cover (£80)
Fitted front and rear poly bushes, including poly differential bush which I modified to be more stable (£150)
Rolling road, 3 power runs, average 318bhp flywheel, 255bhp wheels, 250ft\lb torque. Healthy engine, Vanos perfect.
Fitted Rogue Engineering rear shock top mounts, a known weakness on many BMW’s (£110)
Fitted new rear discs, handbrake shoes, handbrake mechanism refurb kit (£150)
Front and rear brake calipers refurbished, painted, new seals and springs (£70)
ETB yellow stuff front and rear pads, really improves stopping power and pedal response & less dust than standard (£120)
Bosch Silver battery (£70)
Seam welded the rear chassis cross member as a preventative measure, as Z3’s can have problems with popped welds (£110).
Also added welding to the ARB mounts and diff mount, again purely preventative as it’s an area of possible weakness.
Modified the rear suspension subframe to allow adjustment of camber and toe at the rear. Lowered Z3’s have too much negative camber and wear out the inner edge of the tyres. This mod solves it, tyre wear is nice and even after 4k miles.
Fitted camber adjustment bolts on the front suspension, again preventing uneven tyre wear problems.
4 wheel suspension alignment set to AC Schnitzer settings – report is in the history file. Feels planted and secure.
Many suspension and brake components sandblasted and powder coated, or cleaned and painted.
Front and rear wheel bearings replaced (£150)
New ball joints, inner and outer fronts, and new tie rod ends for steering rack (£80)
ARB drop links front and rear replaced (£40)
Exhausts removed, painted with heat resistant black paint, polished tailpipes.
Fitted a steering rack from a standard Z3 (£200) as it’s a quicker ratio. Excellent upgrade, steering response is much sharper.
Fitted Goodridge braided stainless brake hoses all round £70, plus new brake fluid.
Allow wheels refurbished with new centre badges.
‘BMW’ business CD player, actually a Rover CD player with M badge. Same one as offered as an option originally (£80).
Upgraded Pioneer front component speakers (£110)
Arctic silver touch up paint purchased, included in sale. Stone chips on bonnet all filled in and then polished.
Air conditioning regassed before the holiday, with full system check. 100% perfect working order.
Front bumper resprayed in June 2011 due to stone chips (£240).
New main dealer number plates.
1 litre M spec oil - not opened as didn’t use any oil on the trip.
Loads of other little things done, bought lots of new nuts\bolts\screws from BMW and used stainless where I could.

Negatives –

The bonnet has got 2 very small (<5mm) dents at the front where I dropped a spanner on it, I’m going to try to get them removed in the next few days, but there’s a crossmember behind them so it might not be possible.
I spent a weekend filling, sanding and polishing stone chips on the bonnet, it’s not 100% perfect but having seen a few other Zed’s of this age I’m happy that it looks pretty good. It’s an honest car with some front end stone chips.

As you will see, I’ve spent a lot of time and about £3,000 in refurbishing the car, servicing, tyres, etc since I’ve had it. I’ve had a lot of help from this forum as well, for which I’m very grateful.

I would hope that people on this forum can appreciate the time and effort invested in bringing it to a state of excellent health for a 13 year old car. I know colour choice is personal, but I believe that the silver paint and plain black interior still look contemporary.

Final price reduction to £7,495 including 6 months road tax.

If you have any questions please get in touch.

Thanks, Ian
Last edited by Ian Kelly on Wed 14 Sep, 2011 14:40, edited 9 times in total.

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Post by Jonttt » Sat 13 Aug, 2011 12:37

I met up with Ian for the first time last week and had a good look around his car.

For anyone looking / thinking of a Z3m I can't recomment this car enough.

Either as a daily driver or a keeper its perfect for me ie your not paying a premium for ultra low mileage were every mile you put on the car costs you a fortune and its not too high a mileage that your afraid to use as a daily driver.

To say its a good honest car is an understatement. Its one of those cars you can tell has been owned by a real car enthusiast with the type of attention to detail no dealer would ever put into a car. As Ian says its not been "modded" but refreshed / renewed / improved with an emphasis on mechanicals and resulting in a car that is as about sorted as you'll ever get whilst retaining the OEM looks and styling.

To be honest if your looking for a Z3m you would be stupid not to look at this car :wink:

Good luck with the sale Ian, I'm just sorry we will lose you from the forum but maybe one day you'll be back :D
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Post by Ian Kelly » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 08:19

Thanks Jonttt,

Car now on pistonheads, will add more to the advert later tonight.

Cheers, Ian

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Post by Guest » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 20:02

HI Ian,

Quick question on your photo's, 1 of the pictures showed 4 cam bolts, can you confirm the size of these and how you fitted them please. My last company made all the cam bolts for jag, Landrover and Ford, and these items look remarkably like them. Possibility of being able to supply the camber adjusting hardwear if you can confirm the size of the thread and the underhead bolt length.

Thanks

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Post by hornel Z3M » Mon 15 Aug, 2011 20:58

like that :twisted: :wink:

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Post by Ian Kelly » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 03:54

Evmundo wrote:HI Ian,

Quick question on your photo's, 1 of the pictures showed 4 cam bolts, can you confirm the size of these and how you fitted them please. My last company made all the cam bolts for jag, Landrover and Ford, and these items look remarkably like them. Possibility of being able to supply the camber adjusting hardwear if you can confirm the size of the thread and the underhead bolt length.

Thanks
Hi,

They are M12 x 1.5 x 98mm on realoem, and according to my invoice they are BMW part no. 33321095102 at £4.35 each, 4 required for camber and toe adjustment.

I fitted them using guide plates I had machined and then welded to the trailing arm brackets, based on drawings I found on t'internet. See my old refurb thread in M section, but there's info on line, I think I posted links to it.

PS - I still have a complete set of 8 guide plates for camber and toe adjustment that I had made as a spare set to sell to another member. Cost me £40, available now at the special price of... £40! (posted)

Cheers, Ian

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Post by Ian Kelly » Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:05

Just to be clear, on the flikr pictures there are several 'before' pictures of the diff mount \ chassis cross member, and then ones showing it seam welded. I just wanted to demonstrate that the welding I had done was preventative and not a 'fix' to a failing boot floor or diff mount.

Given that I had the entire rear subframe and suspension removed, it was a no brainer to have it welded while access was unimpeded.

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Post by offyourmarks » Wed 17 Aug, 2011 21:06

This looks like a truly fantastic car - all the right things have been done and looking at the pics everything has been done right!

A car you could just buy and enjoy without the worry of having to dig deep to repair an oversight.

Somebody snap this up quickly!

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Post by Ian Kelly » Sat 20 Aug, 2011 08:55

Hi all,

I've decided to exclude the additional extra's from the sale and reduce the price of the car. So, now excluded are the wind deflector, tonneau cover, Bentley book and the original steering rack. I will put these on e-bay this weekend, and advertise them separately on here.

Price of the car, with 6 months tax, reduced to £8,150 to forum members.

Cheers, Ian

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Post by Ian Kelly » Wed 31 Aug, 2011 09:48

As a result of getting a new job, I'm now more keen to sell the Z3M and sell the daily 320d, and get into a Z4MC.

Asking price reduced to £7,800 to forum members. If anyone wants more pictures or info please let me know. Now taxed to end of Feb.

PS - I'm holding on to the tonneau, original steering rack and wind deflector, in case the buyer wants them. For those that have expressed interest in these, if no joy in selling the car in the next few weeks I'll be in touch.

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Post by G2JRP » Wed 31 Aug, 2011 13:57

This is now becoming a very cheap sorted Z3M
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Post by Jonttt » Wed 31 Aug, 2011 19:55

Congrats on the new job Ian :thumb:

I'll look out for a Z4m on the dock road :drive :wink:
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Post by Ian Kelly » Wed 31 Aug, 2011 20:05

Thanks Jonttt,

Best news is the 50p per mile expenses policy!!!! I could get an M5!

:)

Seems like patience is key when selling cars at the moment...

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Post by Badman gee » Wed 31 Aug, 2011 20:27

Ian Kelly wrote:Thanks Jonttt,

Best news is the 50p per mile expenses policy!!!! I could get an M5!

:)

Seems like patience is key when selling cars at the moment...

v10 5l hmmmmm oh yes, :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :D :D :D
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Post by Bench » Thu 01 Sep, 2011 16:09

I just wish it wanst silver as i am seriously tempted!
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Post by Badman gee » Thu 01 Sep, 2011 17:39

Bench wrote:I just wish it wanst silver as i am seriously tempted!
Take it from me, silver is a lot less hassle than any other to maintain.

It stays clean longer and marks on the body work (chips etc) dont show up as much.

Im very fussy, hence the silver :D
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Post by shantybeater » Thu 01 Sep, 2011 18:55

^^ besides that when clean it looks 8-)

Very suprised this is still for sale, clearly a well sorted example and at an extremely good price! (infact under what i'd value it at). Whats happened to the roadster market?!!? I thought poverty would drive people away from everyday M3's and onto these!

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Post by Ian Kelly » Thu 01 Sep, 2011 20:47

shantybeater wrote:^^ besides that when clean it looks 8-)

Very suprised this is still for sale, clearly a well sorted example and at an extremely good price! (infact under what i'd value it at). Whats happened to the roadster market?!!? I thought poverty would drive people away from everyday M3's and onto these!
It's lower than I'd value it at too!!!! :shock:

This is as low as it goes, I've spent £10k on buying and improving \ maintaining it. No regrets, have loved working on it and driving it, just thought I'd get about £8.5k for it. Given that it's had pretty much everything done to it, I could keep it until next spring and put another 2k miles on and it wouldn't cost me a bean.

I'm on the lookout for a Z4MC, and there are similar stories on Z4-forum. Good cars just not fetching the kind of money they would have done even 6 months ago. Seems like there really is a recession on after all.

As for the colour, it really is such a personal thing that if silver doesn't float someones boat, then I understand that. I really wanted Imola paint when I was buying, but more important for me was a plain black interior.

I love the silver now I've had it, it's a timeless, neutral colour and with silver wheels and plain black leather it has aged really well and is (IMO!) a very handsome car.

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Post by Z3cade » Thu 01 Sep, 2011 22:36

Id have it off you Ian...

Just got to find a bank to rob first :-(

its a superb example... With the work carried out one of the best around imo...

Very best of luck selling.. Im sure it wont hang around to long..
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Post by Badman gee » Fri 02 Sep, 2011 07:19

shantybeater wrote:^^ besides that when clean it looks 8-)

Very suprised this is still for sale, clearly a well sorted example and at an extremely good price! (infact under what i'd value it at). Whats happened to the roadster market?!!? I thought poverty would drive people away from everyday M3's and onto these!
Its not just the zeds, the whole second hand car market is flat.

These cars will go up in value again i beleive.

Wont be selling mine in the near future.

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Post by c_w » Fri 02 Sep, 2011 13:57

Another case of too much detail of what's been done and photos of bits of the car that should be bolted on the car laid out on the floor. IMHO.

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Post by Ian Kelly » Fri 02 Sep, 2011 20:01

If I've put anyone off with too much detail, then I'd be surprised.

I've spent a huge amount of time on the car, and thought a potential purchaser might like to know what's been done.

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Post by hornel Z3M » Fri 02 Sep, 2011 22:05

Hi Ian. I have to agree with c_w on the advert. You show the car at a race track and parts of it on the floor, now you want everyone to assume you are a top engineer, if not they may think its not as an M should be. Why dont you just advertise it as all the other m`s that have been sold sucessfully. We as Zroadster members understand what great things you have done, but there is the outside world to consider. :wink:

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Post by harty » Fri 02 Sep, 2011 23:43

Hi mate,

love your car, i am highly interested but I need to sell everything off of my car first before I buy a new one. But i like the fact you have all info there on it and to a true car nut they would also appreciate this.

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Post by Ian Kelly » Sat 03 Sep, 2011 09:11

hornel Z3M wrote:Hi Ian. I have to agree with c_w on the advert. You show the car at a race track and parts of it on the floor, now you want everyone to assume you are a top engineer, if not they may think its not as an M should be. Why dont you just advertise it as all the other m`s that have been sold sucessfully. We as Zroadster members understand what great things you have done, but there is the outside world to consider. :wink:
Sorry guys, don't understand some of these comments and they aren't very helpful.

The Pistonheads advert (i.e. the Outside World) doesn't go into anywhere near the same detail as this forum. This is an enthusiasts forum, so I thought the detail would be a good thing!
I used pictures from my holidays as I've not had the weather / time to take new ones.
I showed the components prior to assembly as I thought it would illustrate what I've done better than just words.
Having driven the car 3k miles around the Alps, I'm confident that it's reassembled properly, despite resolutely not being a 'top engineer'.
Why don't I advertise it like all the others?? :?:

Thanks for the positive comments in amongst the other posts!

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Post by aceman » Sat 03 Sep, 2011 09:50

Ian for what it is worth I think you have advertised it just right with the Pistonheads ad being less detailed for the general masses and more detail on here for the true enthusiasts who will appreciate the amount of work already gone into the car.

I did consider yours when I was looking around last weekend after a recommendation from Jonttt but it was just outside my budget for my future plans. It does look like a stunning car and hope to get mine upto the same standard some day. All the best with the sale someone will be knocking on your door soon, you may just have to be patient as it took over a month for someone to buy my Jag and I was starting to get depressed about it then out of the blue it sells so don't despair.
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Post by Jonttt » Sat 03 Sep, 2011 11:51

I also agree I like the way Ian has advertised ie in detail on an enthusiast forum and briefly for the wider world.
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Post by G2JRP » Sat 03 Sep, 2011 17:35

All i would say is be patient, the car is well prepared and priced right you just need to wait for the right buyer. People can question the ad but they both the right information to there respective audiance.

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Post by Ian Kelly » Sun 04 Sep, 2011 14:23

Decided to take some better pictures of the car today as it was a bright start to the day -

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Post by Hard Top » Sun 04 Sep, 2011 14:29

IMHO, I think that Ian's add on here is spot on. Lovely car, has got to sell at that price.:thumb:
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Post by Ian Kelly » Mon 12 Sep, 2011 09:52

Final price reduction, if no joy at this price then I'll SORN it and re-advertise next spring.

Any questions please get in touch. See my other posts for more info on the car.

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Post by c_w » Mon 12 Sep, 2011 11:36

Ian Kelly wrote: Sorry guys, don't understand some of these comments and they aren't very helpful.
Why are they unhelpful? This is my honest opinion. You have to ignore the back-patting from fellow forum members, the details and photos of bits of the car off the car WILL be narrowing your audience massively.

Good luck with the sale.

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Post by Ian Kelly » Mon 12 Sep, 2011 12:24

c_w wrote:
Ian Kelly wrote: Sorry guys, don't understand some of these comments and they aren't very helpful.
Why are they unhelpful? This is my honest opinion. You have to ignore the back-patting from fellow forum members, the details and photos of bits of the car off the car WILL be narrowing your audience massively.

Good luck with the sale.
Cheers.

I accept that what I've done to the car will limit it's appeal - some people will want a totally OEM car, and this isn't one. I know that. It's not the pictures and the advert that limit the market for the car, it's the fact it has some minor changes from OEM. That's MY honest opinion.

The car IS the car, there's no point trying to hide the changes from OEM, especially not on this forum. Better to be up front and limit my market than be less clear in the advert and end up wasting other peoples time, and my own time.

I've now removed the link to the refurb pics, and posted up some nice shots of the car in the country :D

There will be someone out there that looks at what I've done, the time I've spent on the car, the price and the mileage, and appreciates that. It's a bargain! :lol: :lol:

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Post by PERRIN Z3M » Mon 12 Sep, 2011 13:57

If I was coming back to the land of a Z3m (which i'm not) I would buy this car it looks great, it has all the mods that are required to make the Z3 a good car and has low millage.

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Post by johnwayne » Mon 12 Sep, 2011 14:36

PM sent

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PM replied to.

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Post by Ian Kelly » Mon 12 Sep, 2011 19:55

Sale agreed :)

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Post by Jonttt » Tue 13 Sep, 2011 20:09

Well done ;-)

Someone has got a "qualified" car for good money
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Post by johnwayne » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 12:08

As the new owner of Ian's M Roadster I have to endorse his comments regarding the advertising and use of illustrations of his exceptional work on the car. It is now undoubtedly a very well sorted example and a credit to his skill and attention to detail.

After owning 2 previous "M" Roadsters I was looking for a good example with relatively low mileage . The bonus with Ian's car is that I have the documented and detailed breakdown of all the work carried out. The car now handles superbly with minimal roll and is a pleasure to drive.

Good luck with the search for the Z4M Ian !!

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Post by hornel Z3M » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 20:08

In the voice of The john Wayne------ You sure gotta hell of a car there john :wink:

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  M roadster S52
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Post by offyourmarks » Tue 20 Sep, 2011 21:24

Yeah, well bagged there. A real good buy

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