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Post by markrnorton » Mon 03 Aug, 2009 15:39

Guys

Received my supercharger kit from the states last week, see pic.

These are now being manufactered again for petrolheads like myself.

Quite a few bits in the kit. Impressive quality of alloy castings, polished and well machined.

Going to be fitting this, along with a host of other engine mods over the next month. I'll detail this in the knowledgebase as i go.

Just thought i'd sew the seeds here in this section.

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Post by z3Dave » Mon 03 Aug, 2009 15:55

Looks fun :twisted:

What was the cost in GBP inc del?

Let us know how you get on fitting it

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Post by markrnorton » Mon 03 Aug, 2009 16:03

Cost was approx £2500 (havent had credit card bill yet) plus duty and surcharge which came to £385

so total of around £2900 - what a bargain !

I'm also going to try and free up some absorbed horse power from the engine.

1. remove viscous fan and replace with electric type
2. fit a machined 'lightened' single mass flywheel

these mods should allow the engine to spin up a bit more freely

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Post by Gazza » Mon 03 Aug, 2009 16:28

markrnorton wrote:
Received my supercharger kit from the states last week, see pic.
'LAST WEEK' !! C'Mon man get it fitted :)
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Post by AussieZ3 » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 03:24

Who's the manufacturer mate?
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Post by markrnorton » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 07:13

Downing Atlanta.

they make the castings and assemble the parts for the kit. The supercharger is an Eaton MP62

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Post by adam666999 » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 09:28

What engine is it for? and what increase in power are you expecting?

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Post by markrnorton » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 09:56

M44 1.9 16v

i'm going to run it at stock 7.5psi boost, with a couple of other engine mods.

i'm hoping for between 210-220bhp at the rear wheels, with a significant increase in torque.

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Post by adam666999 » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 10:44

Wouldnt it have worked out cheaper to sell the 1.9 and buy a zM?

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Post by markrnorton » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 11:28

i didn't want a zM

i wanted a light 4 cylinder car for trackdays

i think you're missing the point

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Post by 321bhp » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 13:40

will you have to let your insurance company know about the mod to the engine,or is it just for track days,

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Post by shantybeater » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 14:28

Very reasonable! Do they do kits for the M as well?
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Post by Kolgan » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 14:48

shantybeater wrote:Very reasonable! Do they do kits for the M as well?
Nope the only kit which is not a crap centrifugal supercharger is done by ESS if i'm right :D

After you can do it yourself but you need to be very skilled with the welding

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Post by stu » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 17:56

Kolgan wrote:
shantybeater wrote:Very reasonable! Do they do kits for the M as well?
Nope the only kit which is not a crap centrifugal supercharger is done by ESS if i'm right :D

After you can do it yourself but you need to be very skilled with the welding
I don't think the ESS TS2 system goes onto an S50 or S54 does it?

I take it you're referring to welding in the boot - I reckon we might be well placed to see if there's an option for a 'group deal' by placing our business with a friendly bodyshop!
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Post by markrnorton » Tue 04 Aug, 2009 17:57

Insurance told about the supercharger and the other mods to the car. So all above board there, as it will be used on the road too.

As for kits for the M, they are available, but tend to be centrifugal type blower (like the Paxton). Quite a few people have them fitted in the UK and the US, some giving circa 500bhp on the M motor.

Just to be clear, the kit going on my car is based around the Eaton roots type blower, its a bit inefficient, but delivers linear boost from tickover to redline.

Whereas the centrifugal type blower, basically a geared up turbo run off of the crank, is far mor efficient, but delivers boost further up the rev range (like a turbo).

Pro's and cons for both types.

Centrifugal type blower is generally easier to mount/fit as a propriatary inlet manifold is not required.

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Post by skinny » Fri 07 Aug, 2009 19:03

markrnorton wrote:M44 1.9 16v

i'm going to run it at stock 7.5psi boost, with a couple of other engine mods.

i'm hoping for between 210-220bhp at the rear wheels, with a significant increase in torque.
Sounds a bit optimistic for a 1.9 that would be around 270bhp at the flywheel.

Theres some one on here with a 3ltr supercharged doen't even make that kind of power.

I imagine your running a FMIC with it?
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Post by topfuelking » Fri 07 Aug, 2009 20:13

i have got this it will go nice with that kit bud


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Post by mushama » Sat 08 Aug, 2009 18:25

Hey guys,

I just sold my E46 330Ci with an ESS TS1 kit mounted. The boost was 7psi and the car delivered approx. 290HP and 380+NM. I just wanted the torque so that was sufficient for me.

There's a TS2 and TS2+ upgrade available. I don't know wheter the intercooler will fit a Z3 but the kit is made for M52/M54 engines and is really nice and handmade.

It did cost me a fortune, but the quality and the support from ESS was absolutely at the high end.

The best part was the fuel economy - only 10% less than running without the kit.

This kit was with bigger injectors, manifold and reprogrmming of the ECU - really professional.

Me best recommendations to ESS!

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Post by markrnorton » Mon 17 Aug, 2009 21:08

Just an update, i will post a full account in the knowledgebase, but for now, here's the progress.

It only took about 2 hours to strip the car down, the lower inlet manifold being the most tricky to remove as all the electrics pass through it !
They all have to be disconnected, and then re-connected once the original manifold is off. You have to label everything to make sure it goes back correctly.

still here's a pic of the progress, got the charger mounted on the manifold.

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Post by estocks » Mon 17 Aug, 2009 21:32

Is it possible to have a switch to engage the belt drive, like in Mad Max? :twisted:
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Post by markrnorton » Tue 18 Aug, 2009 18:29

Ok

will get some proper pictures up soon, but i'm basically there now with the install.
Just waiting for the new intake hoses to arrive. Got the new electric fan mounted and top hose thermostat in as well.

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Post by stu » Tue 18 Aug, 2009 19:46

Looks very tidy! Looking forwards to seeing how this goes.
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Post by yalden » Wed 19 Aug, 2009 08:08

Looks to be a fairly straight forward install, how do you go about fuelling/mapping etc?

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Post by markrnorton » Fri 21 Aug, 2009 07:34

Reasonable install, some tricky bits

As for mapping and fueling, the kit comes withan aux rising rate fuel pressure regulator, this is ok up to about 10 psi of boost, so fine for 7.5psi, after that you need larger injectors.
Mapping, it willrun on a standard map, but i will get it RR'd once complete for a check on the fueling through the rev range. i'll probably get it re-mapped once i've driven it around for a month.

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She Lives !!!!!

Post by markrnorton » Tue 25 Aug, 2009 18:35

Ok, got all the hoses finally and hooked everything up. Took about 5 seconds for the fuel to come back through but she fired up first time.

Run smoothly for 15 mins to check for leaks and make sure temp was ok.

Its all going too well !!

Even the Simota kit fitted (was from a 330i) with a bit of persuasion.

Going to take it to AMD within the next week for a fueling check and first dyno run.

I have got a few more pics here, (better camera)

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Post by D-reame » Wed 26 Aug, 2009 19:01

Looking very good mate. Keep us posted on progress. It looks a very professional job. :wink:
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Post by T48 TRE » Wed 26 Aug, 2009 19:52

You have done avery good job there Markrnorton, it looks very proffesional. Any Idea of the torque that will be produced with the supercharger.
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Post by markrnorton » Wed 26 Aug, 2009 20:34

No idea of torque yet. Booked in for rolling road next week

it picks up very quick now and from 3000rpm it takes off all the way to 6500rpm
mega noise !!

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Post by markrnorton » Fri 28 Aug, 2009 16:16

After driving this about now, it feels like it needs a re-map in the mid-range.

i think there is a bit more to come

I'll post results after the mapping
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Post by stu » Fri 28 Aug, 2009 21:26

Nice install Mark and loads of space in that engine bay still.

I bet it will feel sooo much better after a live mapping session (much better than an RR session if you can stretch to the cost).
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Post by yalden » Fri 28 Aug, 2009 23:34

I'm eagerly awaiting the results, it only seems like yesterday when you first mentioned the prospect of purchasing a kit... unlike many, you've seen it through and done so in a timely fashion! Good effort!

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Post by markrnorton » Sat 05 Sep, 2009 19:27

Right, dropped car off for mapping today, should get it back next week
it's running a little hot, I don't think the blower is fully run in yet plus the guy reacons the exhaust bore needs to be bigger, so there is my next project !

First 2 runs it made 207 hp with 183 lb ft torque
there's defo a bit more to come after the mapping and the exhaust

I'll put the plot up next week sometime

oh and the clutch slips now, it's that stupid prv on the line, so that's being replaced with a s/s braided one from earls

mind you I don't think the clutch will last long anyhow, I'll give it 500 miles top with the increased power n torque
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Post by RB007 » Tue 08 Sep, 2009 22:48

Like to see a video of engine on with super charger whine in action,get it up youtube :)
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Post by shantybeater » Tue 08 Sep, 2009 22:55

X2 to that! :)
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Post by TomTom » Tue 08 Sep, 2009 23:14

Makes me wish i had more money :cry:
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Post by markrnorton » Sat 12 Sep, 2009 11:56

Right got the car back today, lucky i took it in as it was runny very very lean all through the rev range. I think the Simota my have helped do this ! more air less fuel ratio

AMD have richend it up and twiddled, result is a slight reduction in peak power, but a slight increase in power and torque through the rev range.

Feels smoother (and safer) now.

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bought a large bore 4-1 stainless manifold to fit with a sports cat, see if i can free up the breathing on the exhaust side next.

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the work is ongoing !!! :)
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Post by jont » Sat 12 Sep, 2009 12:25

Hi I have had the same supercharger fitted for about 2 years now on my 1.9.

Just a few tips for you

Order 2 more of the idler pulleys the original bearings are ****
Also a couple of belts as they ware out very quickly
Also make sure that the belt is in the centre of the pulley I had to space mine out a little bit.

The exaust on the Z3 ware it goes over the rear axle has a flat potion which restricts the back pressure go to 2 inch from the centre muffler.

You will notice the touqe from 2nd to fith gear .

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Post by hardright » Sun 13 Sep, 2009 14:42

Jont, what's wrong with the original bearings of the pulleys?

The belts wore out quickly? After how many kilometers?

Thanks!

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Post by hardright » Sun 13 Sep, 2009 15:04

Mark, nicely documented modification and results. Well done! Am waiting for my kit to also arrive from Atlanta. Should be here by end of the week (I hope). I also hope to get the same experience as you did.

I noted you also have a Gruppe M installed. That didn't get in the way of the kit installation? I understand the kit came with a CAI K&N filter. Is there enough clearance now with the DASC to allow installing a Strong Strut strut bar? Paul Ebeyer of Strong Strut said he needs 7/8 inch clearance from the engine in order to fabricate a Strong Strut Strut bar for the 1.9L.

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Post by markrnorton » Sun 13 Sep, 2009 16:33

i cant see how the new longer belt or 2 additional idler pulleys would affect belt wear unless they werent correctly aligned or the was a problem with one of the idlers (causing the wear)

the kit from atlanta uses the standard airbox and filter, i wanted to do away with this, firstly to get a cleaner air path to the TB and secondly to fit a high flow filter . the DASC does not come with any filters.

I managed to get how of a Simota carbon filter from a 330i and bould the additional silicone hosing to hook it up. it give better clearance in the engine bay.

as for the strut brace, i dont know what sort of clearance the strongstrut would have over the engine, i am still using my e-tech brace as there is nothing wrong with it.

there are a few fiddly bits fitting the kit, if you need any tips PM me :)
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Post by hardright » Thu 17 Sep, 2009 15:23

Mark, thanks for the response. I'd be interested to see that Simota carbon filter and how you set that up.

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Post by markrnorton » Fri 18 Sep, 2009 15:11

Hardright, if you scroll back through this thread you'll see the simota set-up. This one (simota) is from a 330i

If you need any more pics let me know

there is also a cold air feed thread relating to this
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Post by danieltharris » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 14:57

Only just noticed this thread, can't see the images on the work PC so can't wait to get home and take a look.

If you weren't able to fit all this yourself how much would fitting have cost?

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Post by markrnorton » Mon 28 Sep, 2009 16:16

Well the manual says 8-12 hours to fit. I took 2 easy days, so i guess thats about right.

With the other mods i have done another day.

but for a fitted price , i guess if you could find a garage willing to do it they would charge you the 12 hours labour ????

Its not to bad to fit, some fiddley bits and you need to have a basic knowledge of a car and mechanics.

If, like me, you've re-built a few cars and engines it would be no trouble

I am know about to start the next 'phase' of modifications :)
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Post by skeete » Thu 01 Oct, 2009 10:27

Please keep us all posted, its so nice to see someone actually doing thus stuff rather than listen to dreamers ask about turbos :head: .

Would be great for a detailed breakdown of what you changed and why.

Great stuff... :thumb:

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Post by markrnorton » Sun 11 Oct, 2009 15:49

well i stripped the exhaust manifold off today, extremely tricky. what a pain

the new stainless manifold pipe, mmm, well i cant get that to fit around the steering column. so change of plan.

As you can see in the pic, the original flange is easy to get to, so i'm gonna work from there onwards

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i'm getting a new s/s flange laser cut (made a drawing for cnc), then i will weld a 2 into 1 collector to this, then away in 2.5" stainless to a sports cat and a single silencer box. this should free things up and help the supercharged engine flow and stay a bit cooler when on boost.

i have also managed to get a chromoly steel lightn'd flywheel now, just got to source a new M3 clutch to suit, and fit it !!

will update soon
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Post by markrnorton » Sun 18 Oct, 2009 12:35

Got most of the stainless for the new exhaust now, just waiting for the flexible connection and the custom flanges.

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the sports cat is TINY !! i hope it passes the MOT, looks to small to do anything, but i have been assured it will work. it flows 85% better than a standard one !!

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the rest of the exhaust pieces are now ready for final cutting and welding.
I'll do this over the next week or so.

All this is considerably lighter than the standard set-up and considerably larger bore 2.5" (63mm)
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Post by markrnorton » Mon 26 Oct, 2009 20:31

Finally got the gearbox off !! A bit fiddly, but not too bad once you know how
Removed the old clutch and dual mass flywheel. Dual mass flywheel weighs approx 13.5kgs
Old clutch was in good condition, but there was some heat distress on the old flywheel surface where it was slipping with the torque from the s/c

Put the new lightweight M3 flywheel on the engine now. I'll put some pics up later in the week.

Good news is new flywheel only weighs 7.5kgs, so this should help the spinning mass.

Ordered a new LUK clutch for an M3 3.0, this should come tomorrow, not too bad a price (£235).

Once all this is back on, i can get the gearbox back on, braided clutch line, bleed it out and then start the new exhaust fabrication.
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Post by Gazza » Mon 26 Oct, 2009 21:07

Plenty of respect to you Mark 8-)
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Post by Ian_C » Tue 27 Oct, 2009 12:38

Nice to see that you're still making progress with the project Mark. Looking forward to seeing you take it down the strip at Santa Pod next year :wink:
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