New Exhaust for the Zed

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New Exhaust for the Zed

Post by Mouldy » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 16:26

After months of putting it off, both for financial reasons and indecision, I finally got round to getting a new exhaust sorted for the Zed.

Having got a quote for a new cat back system for BMW (I really should have known better), I decided that it would have to be a stainless system from one of the 'custom made' suppliers that I have seen advertised.

I was initially looking at MIJ Exhausts in Walsall, but have read some less than complimentary comments on other forums on the net about them and eventually decided to go for a Powerflow system.

Having had two previous cars fitted with Powerflows, I had a fair idea of what to expect, but as they are franchises and both of the ones I had dealt with previously had closed down, it really was a question of sticking a pin in the list of local franchisees, which is how I arrived at Topgear Exhausts in Aylesbury yesterday morning.

The car was lifted on a ramp and the fitter cut the old system off. We then discussed how I wanted the new system to sound and he showed me the extensive selection of tailpipes that I could choose from. I settled for something similar in appearance to the original and asked for it to sound fairly standard to slightly sporty but definately not too loud.

I wandered round to Mc D's for a coffee, Halfords, to take advantage of their BOGOF offer and Tesco's for some lunch and a read of their free newspapers whilst I was waiting and wandered back to collect the car about three hours later.

They were just finishing the car off when I arrived, so I was shown the work and they explained what had been fitted and what to expect, then I parted with £350 and drove home.

At low to medium revs, the sound is fairly much as standard, as requested, but when you give it the berries, it develops quite a hard sporty edge to the exhaust note. At cruising speed, the sound is not intrusive and overall, I am pleased with the result.

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Post by markrnorton » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 16:33

looking very good there, pipe looks nice, any shots from underneath ??

My Z3 is Boston green too, its a great colour, especially in bright sunlight

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Post by cosmosblack » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 19:27

hi, i dont suppose you asing how much you paid, i have rung these people the the day and have told me t g round for a quote but would like and idea of how much before i go cheers

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Post by TitanTim » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 19:46

cosmosblack wrote:hi, i dont suppose you asing how much you paid, i have rung these people the the day and have told me t g round for a quote but would like and idea of how much before i go cheers
How about £350 :wink:

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Post by TitanTim » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 19:54

Looks great Mouldy and a nice price too :)

Powerflow might be the route I take as I'm holding off a Supersprint or Hamann as the tailpipes are 76mm and worried they might scorch the bumper :( Also I'm not keen on chopping the existing BMW system to fit a back box as the BMW exhaust is all one piece upto the manifold. I'm guessing with the Powerflow I could go with a rear and cat section thats bolted together as they should be than a botch sleeve and putty with fitting just a back box.

I love the staggered tailpipes you've gone for, any idea of the tailpipes diameter? look to be 70mm?

Cheers,

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Post by PERRIN Z3M » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 19:56

Looks very nice, I do like the exhausts when they are staggered lenghts.

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Post by Ian_C » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 20:41

Looking great Mouldy :thumb:
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Post by Mouldy » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 21:17

markrnorton wrote:looking very good there, pipe looks nice, any shots from underneath ??
To be honest, it never occurred to me to take any shots while the car was on the ramp. I had my phone with me, too!

When it's up on a ramp again, I'll try to remember to take some. It is fairly similar to the original, with a small silencer in the middle, just after the cat and a large box at the back!
TitanTim wrote: I love the staggered tailpipes you've gone for, any idea of the tailpipes diameter? look to be 70mm?

Tim.
I've just nipped out to the garage to measure them and they are about 63mm. If you went with a Powerflow, you could get a replacement cat, but they would be able to cut the pipe after the existing cat and weld your new pipe to it. It seems slightly daft throwing a perfectly good one away to pay for a new one. Here's a link to the Powerflow website;

http://www.powerflowexhausts.co.uk/

They will do more or less whatever you want them to do, with a choice of exhaust note and tailpipes. There is also a dealer finder on their website to find out your local suppliers.
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Post by TitanTim » Tue 27 Jul, 2010 21:27

Mouldy wrote:
markrnorton wrote:looking very good there, pipe looks nice, any shots from underneath ??
To be honest, it never occurred to me to take any shots while the car was on the ramp. I had my phone with me, too!

When it's up on a ramp again, I'll try to remember to take some. It is fairly similar to the original, with a small silencer in the middle, just after the cat and a large box at the back!
TitanTim wrote: I love the staggered tailpipes you've gone for, any idea of the tailpipes diameter? look to be 70mm?

Tim.
I've just nipped out to the garage to measure them and they are about 63mm. If you went with a Powerflow, you could get a replacement cat, but they would be able to cut the pipe after the existing cat and weld your new pipe to it. It seems slightly daft throwing a perfectly good one away to pay for a new one. Here's a link to the Powerflow website;

http://www.powerflowexhausts.co.uk/

They will do more or less whatever you want them to do, with a choice of exhaust note and tailpipes. There is also a dealer finder on their website to find out your local suppliers.
Cheers Mouldy, appreciate the info, theres a Powerflow dealer just up the road from me and from I been reading on the net they get good feedback :) some not so good so looks like it depends on the Franchise and fitters. 63mm tailpipes would be about right as I didn't want anything too large that might touch the bumper once it gets hot.

Cheers,

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Post by Mouldy » Wed 28 Jul, 2010 22:46

TitanTim wrote:
Mouldy wrote:
markrnorton wrote:looking very good there, pipe looks nice, any shots from underneath ??
To be honest, it never occurred to me to take any shots while the car was on the ramp. I had my phone with me, too!

When it's up on a ramp again, I'll try to remember to take some. It is fairly similar to the original, with a small silencer in the middle, just after the cat and a large box at the back!
TitanTim wrote: I love the staggered tailpipes you've gone for, any idea of the tailpipes diameter? look to be 70mm?

Tim.
I've just nipped out to the garage to measure them and they are about 63mm. If you went with a Powerflow, you could get a replacement cat, but they would be able to cut the pipe after the existing cat and weld your new pipe to it. It seems slightly daft throwing a perfectly good one away to pay for a new one. Here's a link to the Powerflow website;

http://www.powerflowexhausts.co.uk/

They will do more or less whatever you want them to do, with a choice of exhaust note and tailpipes. There is also a dealer finder on their website to find out your local suppliers.
Cheers Mouldy, appreciate the info, theres a Powerflow dealer just up the road from me and from I been reading on the net they get good feedback :) some not so good so looks like it depends on the Franchise and fitters. 63mm tailpipes would be about right as I didn't want anything too large that might touch the bumper once it gets hot.

Cheers,

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If you do chose to go for a Powerflow system, try to chose an established franchise. The one I used in Aylesbury has been fitting Powerflow systems for about six years and now have built up a good knowledge of what components to fit to produce the required results.
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Post by Dolfan » Thu 29 Jul, 2010 12:31

Hi Mouldy, I used the same guys for my Zed about a year ago now with no problems so Far, top quality work too :thumb:

Nice Zed by the way 8-)

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Post by BristolZed » Sun 01 Aug, 2010 18:06

My experience of topgear exhausts and alloys is not good. Would never use them again fair enough different branch but i found them unskilled and really didnt think they new what they were doing. I waited for 2 months after paying money to get the parts watched them working on a car, not mine and made the decision to leave with the parts an get them fitted else where.
Exhaust does look nice fair shout just think id rather get one designed for the car by a propper company rather than trusting a mate in a franchise garage with my pride an joy.

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Post by Mouldy » Mon 02 Aug, 2010 12:01

BristolZed wrote:My experience of topgear exhausts and alloys is not good. Would never use them again fair enough different branch but i found them unskilled and really didnt think they new what they were doing. I waited for 2 months after paying money to get the parts watched them working on a car, not mine and made the decision to leave with the parts an get them fitted else where.
Exhaust does look nice fair shout just think id rather get one designed for the car by a propper company rather than trusting a mate in a franchise garage with my pride an joy.
As I said earlier, Powerflow dealers are franchisees and Topgear Exhausts in Aylesbury have been Powerflow dealers for 6 years and are not part of a chain. The business is run by two brothers. Personally, I don't think that they would stay in business for that long if their work was not up to scratch, particularly as exhausts are their principal business.

Furthermore, they are not mates, as you suggest in your reply and I paid for the work after it had been completed to my satisfaction and not in advance. They also offer a lifetime warranty with the exhaust for as long as I own the car.

You suggest that an exhaust designed specifically for the car would be the way to go. I tried this route a few years ago to replace the original exhaust on my then daily driver. I had a Nissan Primera eGT and had it fitted with a Scorpion cat back system. It sounded fairly much as the standard one did, dragged on the floor over speed humps, despite having a standard suspension set up on the car and I didn't get any choice of the tailpipes.

For my money, a custom made stainless steel exhaust was the best option, I am happy with both the look and the sound and would recommend the fitters that I dealt with.
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Post by Koolflyer » Tue 14 Oct, 2014 13:10

Came across this post from 2010 and thought it might be useful to regenerate it again to get the latest feedback from you guys out there. I've been trawling :rtm: through the past posts because my '97 2.8 has now covered 125 clicks and is probably getting a bit long in the tooth, albeit at present it sounds ok. However, it is the only thing that does concern me if I'm on a trip away to the Spa Classic next year and perhaps Italy in a couple of years time, or any outing, I do not want it to spoil my day! :bawl: I don't intend selling it for a long time so I'm thinking the sooner I get it replaced probably the better, thinking reliability and use. So, my dilema is standard or stainless replacement?? Don't want to lose the spare wheel and want to keep it as standard to look at as possible ie twin pipes on near side. Neither do I want it sounding like a 'spotty boy racers pram' on tick over, however, I would like it to sound 'nice' in the higher RPM range, I'm sure you know what I mean. 8-)

Four years later, more miles on the clock and newer owners I'm sure I'm not the only one contemplating a replacement (cat back) exhaust, so photos, various types of system, prices, recommended suppliers and fitters (perhaps rogue systems/fitters :evil: ) maybe now is a good time to reignite this ongoing post. Look forward to reading your responses. :rtm: Thanks Pete
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Post by Koolflyer » Fri 17 Oct, 2014 19:06

Umm, so no ones had a new exhaust fitted recently? :shrug
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Post by mnbrennan » Sat 18 Oct, 2014 10:25

I've just had a full powerflow decat system installed. Second hand so won't mention price but thinking of having some mid silencers installed as it's just too loud in the cabin.

Ive also heard good things about prospeed in Cardiff if you're willing to travel
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Post by Koolflyer » Sat 18 Oct, 2014 18:03

Ok thanks for that mnb, I'll check out Prospeed, and I too don't want the cabin too loud either.
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Post by Koolflyer » Sat 17 Jan, 2015 00:15

............still no new exhausts?? Looking for your thoughts and experiences plus cost? Thanks
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Post by Del » Sat 17 Jan, 2015 22:33

I bought a "Longlife" stainless steel exhaust (new cat and cat back) for my 1.9 a couple of years ago. I suspect (but not 100% sure) that Longlife exhausts took over "Powerflow". I was impressed with the quality and skill of the bespoke fitting. They offer three "noise levels" 1) Full sport, 2) medium and 3) Quiet/OE. I went for the latter and it was still louder than the OE but not unpleasant with a low, deep growl at idle and a nice noise at full throttle. It is definitely not boy racer - not something I want at my age. You can pick your exact choice for tailpipe trims - on yours I guess you would want to retain the twin tail pipes.

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Post by Koolflyer » Sun 18 Jan, 2015 20:13

Thanks for the reply Del, as I said previously, I too am not in the market for a really loud racing exhaust sound. My wife quite enjoys coming out for a spin in the nice weather and in fact we are going for a nice relaxing tearoom 'jaunt' around the Lakes later in summer, so I don't want to put her off! The third option, like yours, sounds what I'm looking for as well. Hoping its just a cat back (which still isn't cheap) plus the standard 2.8 twin pipes will suffice. Do you have any pics and costs (although I would imagine prices might have gone up)? Thanks Pete
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Post by spurs fan in a coupe » Sun 18 Jan, 2015 21:15

I had a cat back system on my old 2.8 Z3.

Back box was Sebring, had a deleted cat and mid silencer removed, wasn't too loud as a daily drive.

Made a nice gargle at low revs when cold.
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Post by Koolflyer » Tue 20 Jan, 2015 13:50

Ok thanks for the responses so far. The following quotes are for a 1997 2.8 (M52), aft of the cat (Cat back) keeping to near as OEM exhaust as possible.

Powerflow use Mr Tyres at various locations, this one being Leicester....£360-400
Roar Power Birmingham....£599
Longlife Northampton....£650-699 (Ouch!)
Custom Chrome Nuneaton....£550 (ish)

A point that was made was these are approximate prices as they are made to suite your particular car. The best advise I gained was to take your car along and discuss what you are actually looking for, with regards to noise and quality etc. It also gives you the chance to inspect the workshops and checkout the guys who you are trusting with your baby! Although the Powerflow is considerably cheaper (which I know is not often best), when I spoke to Kevin at the Powerflow head Office in Bridport, Devon, I found him to be helpful and very knowledgeable. My only concern, is having it fitted at Mr Tyres, who I've never used before so I don't really know what they are like, however I think I'd feel more comfortable with a specialist exhaust fitting company, rather than just your run of the mill high street tyre/exhaust fitter....I'm sure most of you know what I mean?? There again look at the price difference :shrug. On the other hand I've been recommended to try Custom Chrome, so I rang and spoke to Graham there, a very helpful chap who said he'd like to see the car first. I got the impression this business was more specialised in building exhausts, so when car is back on the road in March I'll pay them a visit.

I was told that all of these s/steel exhausts are at least T304 spec. and carry a life time warranty....best confirm this??

Homework still required here :rtm:
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Post by Del » Tue 20 Jan, 2015 17:52

Always room for these businesses to have their initial quotes negotiated downwards. I used the attached to negotiate mine down in 2012.
http://www.roarpower.co.uk/exhausts_BMW ... for_Z3.htm

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Post by Koolflyer » Tue 20 Jan, 2015 20:36

3) Quiet/OE. I went for the latter and it was still louder than the OE but not unpleasant with a low, deep growl at idle and a nice noise at full throttle. It is definitely not boy racer - not something I want at my age. You can pick your exact choice for tailpipe trims - on yours I guess you would want to retain the twin tail pipes.
Tks Del, did you use these guys in Birmingham? And do you have any pics please? Your requirements seem to be what I'd be looking for, similar to OEM, subtle but still sporty ... and not 'in your face' testosterone! :wink:
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Post by Del » Tue 20 Jan, 2015 21:00

Sent you a PM with some piccies. I used a firm in North Bristol (Longlife Franchise) but used the Longlife Birmingham advert to negotiate the price down - didn't need much work/effort to do so :D

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Post by eddie1 » Wed 21 Jan, 2015 17:15

Love the new pipes, not too expensive either.

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Post by eddie1 » Wed 21 Jan, 2015 17:19

I fitted a Supersprint system to my old Alfa 156 veloce. I loved it, however was expensive!

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Post by z3birds » Wed 18 Feb, 2015 21:19

I'm currently looking into getting my zed a new exhaust as its just come up on the mot as an advisory that the exhaust is 'blowing' . I'd really like to replace it with a stainless steel system and wondered if any one else near me new the best place to get the job done. I'm in Oldbury but don't mind travelling for a decent job well done.

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Post by steve.storey » Thu 19 Feb, 2015 13:56

Hi i had a stainless steel exhaust made and fitted by a company in Sheffield . I think it was Scorpion exhausts , You can choose what tail piece you want from about 50 styles. Also you can choose how you want it to sound. Quiet, mid tone or loud. It cost about £360. and has a 25 year warranty . That was fitted to my old Z3. my new one already came with a stainless system but it was too loud for me so i took it to them and they altered it to how i wanted it. I would reccomend them to anyone.

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Post by Koolflyer » Wed 25 Mar, 2015 03:34

Bump

Lots of Zeds coming out of hibernation and lots of tinkering planned I would imagine?
S/steel Cat back on the cards. Anyone one used Custom Chrome in Nuneaton? It's easy for me to get to but more to the point the guys seem very knowledgeable and helpful. £550 for my 2.8, but this seems to be the going rate.
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Post by Koolflyer » Thu 14 May, 2015 17:54

Finally bit the bullet and got Graham and Adrian over at Custom Chrome Ltd in Nuneaton to fit one of their cat back stainless steel exhausts. Really helpful guys and more than happy to let me watch what was going on.
Cat back fitted to my Nov 1997 2.8 was £485 fitted. (Note that my 2.8 is a single cat leading to a mid box then to the large rear back box, some engines have two cats which incorporate two mid boxes then have two pipes leading into the large rear box, so price may differ) 024 7638 7808 http://www.custom-chrome.co.uk

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Although my old exhaust was not in its youth (126k) I rescued it from the skip and helped out another Zed owner who's exhaust had just blown....win win! :thumb:
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Post by gookah » Thu 14 May, 2015 21:50

I had a look under my M52TU 2.8 last week, and have the twin cats to a single box then the rear silencer.
There is no join at all anywhere along its full length, with the exhaust beginning and clamped at both manifold headers and ending at the tail pipes.
My 'middle' box though is nearly at the back of the doors.
I thought about at a cat back system but even if they changed the middle box it would be about 4ft of exhaust system that I would end up with .....for about £500 ?

For £150 I can get a fitted stainless backbox, but would it take another £350 to get me a middle box and 12 inches of pipe?. if so, I will pass on that. I would want their pricing to be nearer £300 for mine.

Looks like a phone call is in hand.
PS what sound did you go for and how is it in real life?
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Post by Koolflyer » Thu 14 May, 2015 23:10

Mines the older M52 which is different in layout underneath and sounds quite different to RockyDave's 2.2 which I think is the M54 (but stand to be corrected), this this being a lot smoother in sound and more subtle than mine. My M52 sounds a bit more in your face but does sound lovely when above 4000rpm! At 57 (well 58 tomorrow!) I did say that I didn't want it to sound like a boy racer, which it doesn't, but there is a little more of a sporty roar from the rear when one demands more on the accelerator...which I like. I rear box isn't as huge as the OEM, so perhaps that accounts for it sounding a little more sporty, also it's new so no carbon build up yet. When Mrs KF is on board side windows up to stop the hair from being ruffled and lower the roar, also light footed. When she's not on board....windows down and firewall it! Great thing is she's not even noticed as most of it is hidden underneath :D
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Post by Koolflyer » Thu 02 Jul, 2015 13:42

800 miles to Spa Classic and back plus another 800 pleasure and work, she now has a good carbon coating inside and now sounds even better. Diff and G/box oils changed and even my local 'indi' chap complemented on the underside bling! :D
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Post by Davejue1 » Thu 02 Jul, 2015 19:47

Just read all this with interest as I need a system fitting including cat. I was hoping £300 would cover it but after speaking with Pete (koolflyer) looks like I'm out of sync with it! Anyone selling a decent time used system for a 1998 2.8 m52tu please pm me. Tar.
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Re: New Exhaust for the Zed

Post by spurs fan in a coupe » Thu 02 Jul, 2015 21:37

Davejue1 wrote:Just read all this with interest as I need a system fitting including cat. I was hoping £300 would cover it but after speaking with Pete (koolflyer) looks like I'm out of sync with it! Anyone selling a decent time used system for a 1998 2.8 m52tu please pm me. Tar.

Some Power Flow dealers/franchises will do work for cash.

I had the mid silencer fall off my coupe, they replaced with a straight through stainless pipe for a great price £50ish, it was a while ago. I already had a Sebring rear box and it didn't make it any louder.

Worth popping into nearest branch and speaking to them in person
we expres: " He did hear the bells ringing, but doesnt know where where the clapper hangs".

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