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I want one, I would pay....

Less than £100
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59%
£100-150
28
33%
£151-200
3
3%
More than £200
4
5%
 
Total votes: 86

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Z3 Strut braces

Post by theduck » Tue 05 Apr, 2011 22:57

Quick background. I am friends with various people involved in the world of motorsport at various levels all the way upto manufacture of parts and calibration of Formula One cars.

Tonight I have been talking to one such friend who runs a small company called Vision Racing Developments - http://www.visionracingdevelopments.co.uk/ they are a young company but with the right knowledge and the right stuff to go a long way. They are interested in expanding into producing some parts for Z3s and of cause I am now encouraging that! After having a long chat tonight, we are looking at designing and producing a front strut brace, and if that goes well I am sure I could persuade them to make rear brace and body brace aswell.

What I need to know from you guys is how many would be interested in a good quality (equivalent to strong strut), UK supplied strutbrace, and what price point would you like to see such an item at?

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Post by Jonttt » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 00:58

I bet everybody clicks less than £100 :D

I have a strong strut so no vested interest from me but here are my thoughts for what they are worth.

There are some basics with a strut brace :

- it does not flex
- it fits well

The only real issues with fitting the Z3 ones are the battery terminal cut out, fits flush with the strut tower (which has ridges) and engine clearance / hood clearance for the various models.

Certainly a few out there seem to be for other models and don't have the battery terminal cut out or ridge cut outs to fit flush.

The strong strut is work of art, fits perfectly and looks fantastic in terms of style and finish but........ it is over engineered to actually do the job and you are paying a big premium just for the finish and looks.

I had a srut brace on my first Z3 that was unbranded, looked ok, fitted perfectly and did not flex ie it did the job just as well as the strong strut and cost me £90.

I think to really make this work you would need to produce one for <£75 that fitted perfectly with a design that did not flex and looked "OK".

I think if you go above £100 you are competing against the "named" brands and if you go high end nd copy the strut brace you simply will not sell many.

Just my thoughts but a decent quality sub £75 strut brace that fits perfectly should be a compulsary purchase in my book.

ps insurance disclosure puts a lot of people off fitting one of these ;-)
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Post by theduck » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 09:06

Jonttt thanks for the detailed feedback. If this goes ahead, they want to make an affordable, high quality brace, and this is why I am helping them with a bit of market research into what affordable is. General consensus so far is between £100 and £150, which I think makes this feasable.

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Post by Dave L2 » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 11:59

Like Jonttt I also have a Strong Strut and agree with most, if not all of what he has said.

I will add though, I got mine via a Group Buy through this forum and paid well over £200, so although they may be over engineered for Jonttt's tastes it goes to show that people will pay a premium for a very high quality product.
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Post by SpaceMonkey » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 12:17

Just a quicky, a solid bar without any pivot points is best from a bracing point of view. A choice of finishes would also be nice.

I look forward to seeing progress with this as I'm yet to get round to getting & fitted a brace.
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Post by TaffZee » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 12:26

I think these braces are way overpriced, the cost of a rear strut brace from Strong Strut is Scandalous, its a bit of bent metal with a couple of bolts and washers.

A realistic price for a front would be up to £100 and a rear £50.

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Post by TitanTim » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 12:56

I would love an under bonnet brace that actually fitted properly on the M43 engined Zed, however it can be Zed specific even with the same model. I've been through 2 e-techs and a cheaper unbranded brace all supposidly for the 4 Cyl models. The e-techs were good but still had to modify to fit around the tower earthing point. The unbranded brace wouldn't fit at all even though the seller said they had never had any problems it fitting 4 Cyl Zeds. Problem I had with the e-techs was underbonnet clearance which pushed the bonnet up. Real shame as it definitely made an improvement. So if you do go ahead with making them, please make sure they will actually fit.

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Post by Bench » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 13:06

I have the e-tech so would say a decent looking brace for £100 -150 is about right. Some people will always buy cheaper ones but sometimes you do get what you pay for.
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Post by VOLKAN » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 17:47

My Front Strut Bars brand is "Ultra Racing" and it is for E36 328i. It fits perfectly to Z3M and just takes 2 minutes. I just paid 50 GBP.

The link is;

http://www.ultraracing.com.my/Bars.asp?ID=2787

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Post by swamper » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 17:59

i have an e-tec one that works fine but has started to discolour and looks like im going to have to spray it....so for me it still has to look the part under the bonnet as well as perform.
also i have to echo the O/P about the rear strut........noway on this earth would i pay that kind if money for a one piece bar...if they could do a rear strut for 50 quid they'd fly off the shelf.
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Post by theduck » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 18:02

TitanTim wrote:I would love an under bonnet brace that actually fitted properly on the M43 engined Zed, however it can be Zed specific even with the same model. I've been through 2 e-techs and a cheaper unbranded brace all supposidly for the 4 Cyl models. The e-techs were good but still had to modify to fit around the tower earthing point. The unbranded brace wouldn't fit at all even though the seller said they had never had any problems it fitting 4 Cyl Zeds. Problem I had with the e-techs was underbonnet clearance which pushed the bonnet up. Real shame as it definitely made an improvement. So if you do go ahead with making them, please make sure they will actually fit.

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I have access toboth my 2.0 6cyl and a 1.9 4cyl so will do what Ican to help get one that fits both, or one that for each as required.

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Lookng positive.

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Post by Jonttt » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 20:03

Be carefull with under clearance of a butt strut, mine is off the car and was removed by 2 previous owners due to clearance issues (the car is lowered though) :wink:
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Post by TitanTim » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 20:04

theduck wrote:
TitanTim wrote:I would love an under bonnet brace that actually fitted properly on the M43 engined Zed, however it can be Zed specific even with the same model. I've been through 2 e-techs and a cheaper unbranded brace all supposidly for the 4 Cyl models. The e-techs were good but still had to modify to fit around the tower earthing point. The unbranded brace wouldn't fit at all even though the seller said they had never had any problems it fitting 4 Cyl Zeds. Problem I had with the e-techs was underbonnet clearance which pushed the bonnet up. Real shame as it definitely made an improvement. So if you do go ahead with making them, please make sure they will actually fit.

Tim.
I have access toboth my 2.0 6cyl and a 1.9 4cyl so will do what Ican to help get one that fits both, or one that for each as required.

Thanks for all the feedback guys. Lookng positive.

Cheers for that, I would definitely be interested if one could be made that fits OK.

Some of my threads which may help. If you look at the pics of the e-tech I fitted it sits over the top of the engine which means fine tolerences between the bonnet closing and not closing correctly. I reckon if one was made so the cross bar sits further back and slightly lower would help.

http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopi ... ight=etech

http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopi ... ight=etech

http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopi ... ight=etech

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Post by swamper » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 20:09

Jonttt wrote:Be carefull with under clearance of a butt strut, mine is off the car and was removed by 2 previous owners due to clearance issues (the car is lowered though) :wink:
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cosmo strut brace.

Post by pete59 » Wed 06 Apr, 2011 20:28

i have just got a cosmo one off rasberry on the forum,it was on his 3.0,i want to fit it to my 2.0,i looked up the brace and it fits all the six cyl models up to 3.0 ,has any one fitted the same,or could i find any problems.thanks pete.

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Post by kkkrisss » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 12:37

Does anyone have pics of an OMP strut brace fitted on Z3?

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Post by 1955DavidR » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 12:29

Depends what your main issue for fitting it is, I just wanted a structural brace due to the terrible condition of our roads, same everywhere at the moment. I wanted to pay less than £100 for a functional strut brace and was not particularly bothered what it looked like. I realise others want it to look good as well so there must be room for two versions:-

1) Does the job.

2) Does the job and looks good.

I ended up with a ChromiumTech one that is beautifully engineered and looks great. Had no problems with fit to my 2.0.

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Post by theduck » Sun 10 Apr, 2011 20:44

Anyone in the Wiltshire area willing to lend a bit of time to this for test fitting?

If so, drop me a PM

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Post by theduck » Tue 12 Apr, 2011 18:59

BUMP - Anyone wiltshire area for the above??

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Post by GazHyde » Tue 12 Apr, 2011 19:02

Hi, may be up for giving you some assistance. Where abouts in Wiltshire?

I have a 2.0 6cyl if thats of any use.

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Post by sobe_on » Thu 05 May, 2011 19:16

swamper wrote:i have an e-tec one that works fine but has started to discolour and looks like im going to have to spray it....so for me it still has to look the part under the bonnet as well as perform.
also i have to echo the O/P about the rear strut........noway on this earth would i pay that kind if money for a one piece bar...if they could do a rear strut for 50 quid they'd fly off the shelf.
Dude, could you please show mw some photo for yoour anti roll bar?
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Post by sobe_on » Thu 05 May, 2011 19:28

All of my BMW friends (iincluding me) are using the Wiecher sport (WTCC)struct bar :thumb: (light weight / stiff)

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Post by swamper » Thu 05 May, 2011 20:03

sobe_on wrote:
swamper wrote:i have an e-tec one that works fine but has started to discolour and looks like im going to have to spray it....so for me it still has to look the part under the bonnet as well as perform.
also i have to echo the O/P about the rear strut........noway on this earth would i pay that kind if money for a one piece bar...if they could do a rear strut for 50 quid they'd fly off the shelf.
Dude, could you please show mw some photo for yoour anti roll bar?
Very good looking :D :roflmao:
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Post by sobe_on » Fri 06 May, 2011 20:25

swamper wrote:
sobe_on wrote:
swamper wrote:i have an e-tec one that works fine but has started to discolour and looks like im going to have to spray it....so for me it still has to look the part under the bonnet as well as perform.
also i have to echo the O/P about the rear strut........noway on this earth would i pay that kind if money for a one piece bar...if they could do a rear strut for 50 quid they'd fly off the shelf.
Dude, could you please show mw some photo for yoour anti roll bar?
Very good looking :D :roflmao:
no........you might say its ugly :cry:
:nono
Because I just install the similar llike yours, so that's why I want you can show me some of your picture........
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Post by wheelsinheaven » Sun 29 Mar, 2015 17:00

Great idea. Make it over here. Hundreds of one/ two man steel engineers could set up for this. Find one who likes the idea of a modest regular income and negotiate the cost of making an accurate jig.

Even easier are the bottom cross and longitudinal braces.

I'm about to pay nearly a grand for the strong strut 'trilogy'. They use this description to mask the reality of spending so much money on few pieces of bent steel. Disgraceful. I wouldn't be surprised if bmw owned shares. I blame them anyway for giving these people the opportunity.
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Post by Dino D » Sun 29 Mar, 2015 17:19

Trilogy...yes good marketing!

I'd first spend that grand on suspension and bushes before any braces!
No point stiffening up a chassis riding on squishy bushes and suspension!

You've probably read it already but the rear brace is more useful as a spark generator on our UK roads if you plan on lowering the suspension to make it look and handle better..

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Post by gookah » Sun 29 Mar, 2015 21:23

there is a guy on Z.org that had his strong strut butt strut stolen back in september, he found out last month whilst cleaning under the car.

must make a really noticeable difference... :D

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Post by swamper » Sun 29 Mar, 2015 22:04

I'd have liked to see what happened when it was tied into the side struts...that was the plan any way
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Post by 5harp3y » Fri 08 Jan, 2016 16:32

theduck wrote:BUMP - Anyone wiltshire area for the above??
Where abouts in wiltshire?

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Post by BladeRunner919 » Fri 08 Jan, 2016 16:50

5harp3y wrote:
theduck wrote:BUMP - Anyone wiltshire area for the above??
Where abouts in wiltshire?
I think he may have sorted it since April 2011!!

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Post by 5harp3y » Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:53

Haha you might be right!

on a similar note i've just seen these on eBay.

look great and really cheap!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Brace-S ... SwaA5WjwLO

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Post by Bonzo » Mon 22 Feb, 2016 19:42

I have an ASC front strut brace on my 2.8. Its a good tight fit,sitting perfectly on the struts. Bonnet clearance is minimal, but okay. I have the strong strut butt strut and body braces. I haven't lowered my Z and don't intend to, so there is just about enough ground clearance. With all fitted I noticed a definite improvement in ride/handling. When pushing on, the ride seemed smoother and less 'jiggley', and the handling more secure.
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Re: Z3 Strut braces

Post by MpowerRob » Sat 02 Apr, 2016 09:46

Just seen these on EBay what does everyone think looks pretty good for the price not sure if it will fit a z3 though.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350693420175? ... EBIDX%3AIT

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Post by bertiejaffa » Sat 02 Apr, 2016 13:14

Ive seen a few cars with this type on them. The only thing to remember with the front braces is that the up and over ones will fit the 6 pots - the 4 pots need ones that bend round the back of the engine - after that you take you choice.
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Post by pingu » Sat 02 Apr, 2016 14:52

When you buy a strut brace, don't forget to factor in the extra annual fee to the insurance company :shock: .

It needs to be covered, as what would have been a repairable without will probably write the car off if fitted.
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Post by Bonzo » Mon 04 Apr, 2016 12:39

Bonzo wrote:I have an ASC front strut brace on my 2.8. Its a good tight fit,sitting perfectly on the struts. Bonnet clearance is minimal, but okay. I have the strong strut butt strut and body braces. I haven't lowered my Z and don't intend to, so there is just about enough ground clearance. With all fitted I noticed a definite improvement in ride/handling. When pushing on, the ride seemed smoother and less 'jiggley', and the handling more secure.
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Re: Z3 Strut braces

Post by bertiejaffa » Mon 04 Apr, 2016 21:06

Bonzo wrote:
Bonzo wrote:I have an ASC front strut brace on my 2.8. Its a good tight fit,sitting perfectly on the struts. Bonnet clearance is minimal, but okay. I have the strong strut butt strut and body braces. I haven't lowered my Z and don't intend to, so there is just about enough ground clearance. With all fitted I noticed a definite improvement in ride/handling. When pushing on, the ride seemed smoother and less 'jiggley', and the handling more secure.
Bonzo.
Afterwards I also replaced all springs, shocks, front strut mounts and ARB mounting bushes (all OEM). Also rear shocks top mounts (Lemforder) and all drop links (Myle), and this seems to have improved ride and handling still further.

:cheers

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