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Well the government strikes against the motorist again.....what's new :head:

£400 VED rising to £455 for my 268g/km ///M :head:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... 508653&i=0

Think I might convert the car to LPG :P
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Even my puny engined S2000 will be £430 in 2010!

Looks like I'll be driving around on the Vtec (7,000rpm and above) to get my money's worth
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LPG concessions to end in 2010 within the TFL area.Red Ken says!!!as he is the most important Red slime in the UK--His word is Law.so by 2010 his marxist army will be in control of ALL of UK--Get yer bikes out :shock: OR get on yer feet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm totally confused ...

So what about my 2002 1.9 Sport? And the 2001 Land Rover Discovery?

Yikes!
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All vehicles registered from 1st March 2001 are re-banded
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The steam is coming out of my ears.

W-nkers.


Mmmmmmmm so my 2002 2.2 and my 2002 M will be given a right old rollicking.


Perhaps I should give up working and cars all together and go on the dole or have a child and claim some of the new allowances.

Being a career woman who likes to enjoy what little spare time she has driving a nice car obviously doesn't pay? :head: :head: :head:

I just pay huge taxes supporting other people seeing f--k all benefit for myself! Great! :|
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Yep and they put cider up pennies to help stop teenage binge drinking then give the parents £20 to compensate.
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Just found this for the Z3s.

It gives listings for each of the different models.

http://cars.lycos.co.uk/cars/specs/Summ ... x?model=83


If you click alongside it on 'more info' it will give the 2008 road tax.

It doesn't give the amount for 2009- 2010 but it does give the Co2 emissions for each model so you should be able to cross check this against the Pistonsheads table Gazza posted earlier :wink:


Cheers.......... an absolutely furious Whiteminks :|

I need more alcohol........ oh **** just forgot......... that's gone up too!

Maybe I should have a breakdown and get valium on prescription instead? :wink:
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Post by Alex L »

Luckily I made a trip to Costco this morning and loaded up with booze.

This is a good site for CO2 levels, devised for us company car users.

http://www.comcar.co.uk/newcar/companyc ... select.cfm

Edit: Apparently that link isn't great if you had a Z3...whoops
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So the zed (which is currently an F) will be £260

More annoying is the Disco (also currently an F) which will go up to £440

That's double!

I wonder why we bother working hard really when we just keep getting hammered like this ...

The Disco is here for a reason - to tow - so perhaps we need to get rid of the caravan and horsebox and never go anywhere and just work some more to pay labour some more tax!
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And yet all our old historic cars - which to be honest spew out more stuff than our modern day to day cars - are free

So - Disco and Landy can go and I'll get a pre '73 Midget I think
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Agreed, the toy for 2009 will probably be a classic 60's notchback 5litre Mustang which I had been looking at alongside the S2000....Tax Free and about as efficient as a cross channel ferry.
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Um, am I reading this right: The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences (direct.gov.uk)?

The top band (G) of road tax still only applies to cars registered AFTER the 23/03/2006. So all you S54 ///M owners should still only be paying the band F rate, which is now £210 - £5 more than last year.

For the rest of use, all vehicles registered after the 1st March 2001 are done by CO2 emissions, which I think is the same it always was. And for those of us with zeds built before then, we all pay £185, which is £5 more than last year.

So all in all, it looks like the budget will have naff all effect on anything. :?

The bit that annoys me, every year, is that my road tax is due in March, and it is always a race to get it MOT'd and then taxed before the budget. They got me for another fiver this year as the budget was today (12th) and you can't buy your new road tax before the 15th of the month. Gits. :head:

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I think you are right Rob for buying over the counter. You can buy before the 15th if you go online. I got mine last week and the disc arrived in the post on Monday.
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Just found this on the bbc site: New car tax rates for 2009

It does not say how the re-banding will be applied, however it only comes into effect in 2009. Need to read the fine print. They didn't retrospectively apply band F last time, so we will have to see.

Wish I'd known about doing it online, Mark - though I would still need to have got her MOT'd first - even though it doesn't expire until the 31st. :head:

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Deano - those are the 'old' bands for tax .. they have been revamped as per the list on the pistonhead site
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This is taking the pi$$! Sad thing is its dressed under a environment improvement scheme/label when everyone knows its just another way to screw the general public and won't make any difference to cutting down emissions!

I'll have to pay £300 next year on my 2.2 - Its just a load of bollox! :evil: :head: :evil:
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I feel like getting a really knackered old Rover that blows out loads of crap and driving it around ( with a bag over my head of course)


The robbing gits :head: :head: :head:
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Try this...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7290230.stm

Apparently I will be £388 better off next year
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Robert T wrote:Um, am I reading this right: The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licences (direct.gov.uk)?

The top band (G) of road tax still only applies to cars registered AFTER the 23/03/2006. So all you S54 ///M owners should still only be paying the band F rate, which is now £210 - £5 more than last year.
Looks like £210 Band F applies to 2008/09 from 13th March. The new rates apply to 2009/10 when the S54 Z3M will be in Band M........SPOOKY !!!


From the 2008 budget report (downloadable as a pdf)

2008-2009 Co2 (g/km) Price for 12 months (effective from 13th march)

A - Up to 100 - £0
B - 101-120 - £35
C - 121-150 - £120
D - 151-165 - £145
E - 166 - 185 £170
F - Over 186 (1) £210
G - Over 226 (2) £400

(1) registered before 23rd march 06
(2) registered after 23rd march 06

2009-10 / 2010-2011 + (first year rate)

A - Up to 100 £0 / £0 + £0 (fyr)
B - 101-110 £20 / £20 + £0 (fyr)
C - 111-120 £30 / £35 + £0 (fyr)
D - 121-130 £90 / £95 + £0 (fyr)
E - 131-140 £110 / £115 + £115 (fyr)
F - 141-150 £120 / £125 + £125 (fyr)
G - 151-160 £150 / £155 + £155 (fyr)
H - 161-170 £175 / £180 + £250 (fyr)
I - 171-180 £205 / £210 + £300 (fyr)
J - 181-200 £260 / £270 + £425 (fyr)
K - 201-225 £300 / £310 + £550 (fyr)
L - 226-255 £415 / £430 + £750 (fyr)
M - Over 255 £440 / £455 + £950 (fyr)
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woo bbc calculator says I'll be £290 better off.

I'm a young higher rate tax payer who drives a sports car and doesn't drink. If that's the kind of lifestyle/person Mr Darling is trying to encourage then so be it!
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It looks like if we want to pollute the planet we're going to have to pay for it.

I do 6000 miles per year in my 244g/km BMW, and 40,000 miles per year in my 1996 Ford Escort diesel van.

It will cost me £415 + ((6000 x £1.02 x 4.545)/ 26) = £1484 (or 24.7p / mile) for the Beemer.

If I increased to 10000 miles, my cost per mile would reduce to 22.0p.

As a pence per mile calculation, I am now being incentivised to drive my BMW more.

I've just taxed the Escort at £180 for 12 months. As it is pre 2001, it will probably not change much.

p / mile at the moment = 11.9p / mile, and with £200 VED and 30,000miles the price would be 12.1p / mile

It's not enough to make me change, but if it was a closer call, I'd say "Thank you, Darling".

We all know that it should be the cost of fuel that is increased, why won't he do it?
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I have a better solution to the woes of the planet and the UK in particular.

Why doesn't the government get off the backs of hard working people like me? It should get those people who have no aspirations and can't be arsed to work to hold their breath for 3 hours. That would soon result in a decrease in expired Co2 production and at least reduce one of the greenhouse gases.

In actual fact why do we bother to go to work at all and pay taxes if we can't have any choice in how we spend our money? My M gets occasional use and I would have great difficulty driving 2 cars at the same time.
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Its good to see that people are waking up to the fact that this "CO2-bad-for-the-environment" business is all about making money (both governments & large corporations).

For me, it was pretty obvious when the UK announced it would be a "pioneer" in the "battle against climate change". UK governments have always been nothing but master liars, conspirators and doctors of slime and spin, did anyone seriously expect any better than what we're getting? Anyone spending £50.000 or more on a spanking new car, are they seriously going to be discouraged by a £400/year tax? Look at flight taxes as well... what a ridiculous excuse to slap a few £ on a £££ ticket, who would seriously consider walking to Spain instead?

It's all very well orchestrated my friends.. Same happened with house prices & mortgages. Does anyone here seriously think prices just happened to rise? I think it's more realistic to believe that it was well orchestrated by banks, designed push us to the absolute extremity of what we can afford. Look at "environmentally friendly organic food".. who's pushing all of it? Big supermarkets, keen to make an extra buck on selling thin air and promoting something that simply can't have an impact on the environment as the volume of consumption is miniscule.

All that comes to my mind is that it's rather obvious the people who are going to end up worse off are the middle classes. We're heading full speed ahead for a society where the rich-poor divide deepens even more, if you've travelled to South America you may have seen the consequences of such a change (Brazil or Mexico). Everyone's just trying to make a quick buck by screwing up everyone else, problem is, they're succeeding because we aren't doing anything and our own governments (who are meant to be protectors of our society) are quite simply in it for the money as well.

Bring it on, both my cars are pre-2001, so what do I care, says Komis with a big ironic grin...
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I had a lovely drive to work in the M this morning and blasted a few cobwebs off.

You are absolutely right Komis, this rip off government doesn't give a damn about the environment and just finds any old excuse to raise revenue.

I wouldn't object quite so violently if I thought the extra revenue went directly into improving transport services or roads or into sources of generating greener energy.

I think Pingu is right, if the M is going to cost me more, I am going to make it more cost efficient per mile by driving it more. My road tax isn't due until November this year and I will have another years driving after that at the 2008 rate.

Komis I wouldn't wish this on other people, but up until yesterday, people with pre-2006 cars thought this wouldn't effect them. I think this is just the thin edge of the wedge and extending it further would be another potential cash cow for this government.
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Well it looks like the new hair-brained scheme will only take effect from 2009, and although there is no little "only applies to vehicles after ddmmyyyy" clause shown at the moment, it remains to be seen just how unpopular this dozy government thinks this will make them and if they will bite the bullet and say all cars after 2001, or if they will rethink and keep the current 2006 rule in force.

Another little delight buried deep in Appendix A is that the road tax for pre-2001 vehicles over 1549cc is set to rise to £200 in 2009, a much steeper increase than this year, and I suspect that they will carry on hiking this up to try to force older larger engined cars off the road.

None of this will work of course - we will all just pay up and carry on as before - as I for one am certainly not dropping my zed in favour of a Prius. :head:

Gits.

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Spot on Minxie, hence the ironic grin (I know I'll be next, not acting to stop these idiots now would be stupid) :)
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Robert T wrote:
None of this will work of course - we will all just pay up and carry on as before - as I for one am certainly not dropping my zed in favour of a Prius. :head:

Gits.

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Post by PVR »

It may be worth next year to get a 6 months tax license first, followed by a 12 month after that. That way, you get more months on the old tarrif.

(i.e. if your tax ended aug 08, get 6 months to end of feb 09, then get a 12 months one which will take you to feb 10 a the old rate.
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benelvin wrote:Cloud of Smoke on the green: Check!
Sounds like my diesel company car
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The S50 Z3M road tax will be £185 in 2009 and £200 in 2010
But the S54 will be £440 in 2009 and £450 in 2010, yet both kick out the same amount of emissions. :?
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So will this VED difference level out the price of S50 and S54 market values? :roll:
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Mine doesn't come up on this list....can't find a 2.2i Sport, unless it's one of two colours.....which aren't mine..... :shock: :shock:

I think as mine is a 2002 model, it will be the higher tax....great!!!

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The conclusion of the zed-cars poll was that most respondents (71%) are willing to pay at least an additional 10%* on the price of their new car.

Unscientific? Yes, but anecdotally it indicates that the UK government's plan to levy GBP 950 is not enough to deter the respondents from purchasing a 'gas guzzler'.

* Figures based on a new UK BMW Z4 ///M Roadster OTR price. http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspe ... uk,00.html Retreived on 2008-03-15
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Wonder if in 2010 with the showroom tax of 950, my car will be worth more secondhand as the new prices have been inflated ...
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My ///M's a 2nd car in which I do only about 5,000 miles per annum. Unreasonable therefore that I have to pay twice as much road tax on it as someone that does 20,000+ miles a year in an average car. No wonder they changed the name from 'road fund licence' to VED. It's nothing to do with how much you use the roads. It's a tax on ownership.
If they are so obsessed about global warming, which many scientists believe isn't man made anyway, then why not put the tax on fuel. The more you pollute the more you pay, but then isn't that tax high enough anyway. I know for a fact the money goes towards such things as making sure people on benefits have free gas central heating installled because Economy 7 heating isn't good enough for them !
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Darling isn't a Robin Hood. He's a Robbing B****** who robs the hard working to save the idol.
Which idol? God, Buddha, American?



Anyway, I'm a happy chappy, because my Smart car will come down from £120 to £90.

On the other hand the 330 will go up from £210 to £415.

But as the S50 will stay at £185, I'm going to get an S50 and a sensible 4-seater.

So I'll have a Smart (£90), an Escort van (£185), an S50 (£185) and something for the family (£185). Is this what he really wanted (a 4-car family)? Alternatively, I may not get the 4-seater, I may just hire a car when we all need to get away.

All I've got to say is "Thank you, Darling" :D
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His idol is the God of being philanthropic with other people's money. LOL
It's 'idle' as you point out :oops:
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greg_ch wrote:The conclusion of the zed-cars poll was that most respondents (71%) are willing to pay at least an additional 10%* on the price of their new car.

Unscientific? Yes, but anecdotally it indicates that the UK government's plan to levy GBP 950 is not enough to deter the respondents from purchasing a 'gas guzzler'.
Thank you for this, that was my point exactly!

The very least they could have done is slap on a percentage on the car's purchase value. That might have been fairer than a fixed price.

Also think about the impact of £950 on your wallet when you're buying a £120K Ferrari and when you're buying a £50k M3 (which realistically anyone on an average salary could save in a few years to get a "dream car")? Again it goes to show how this government is working hard to ensure that only the middle classes are raided for profit, while the truly rich are virtually left unaffected...
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Thanks mate,
that's what I used and it comes up with the 2.2i Titanium or Sapphire Editions only..... :cry: mine is Topaz Blue.....

Never mind, I have priced it up on that, and I will have to pay the higher price anyway as it's a 2002 model, so unfair, as I only do 5k a year....just not fair.... :cry:

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whiteminks wrote:Why doesn't the government get off the backs of hard working people like me? It should get those people who have no aspirations and can't be arsed to work to hold their breath for 3 hours.
The Government want more people on the Dole, so that when the voting comes around and they promise £20/week more in your Giro and 10% off your fuel paid for by my taxes, they can guarantee millions of votes on Polling day.
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