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Driver track day training

Post by hannanp » Thu 11 Nov, 2004 09:15

Hi

I'm looking for an event that will provide me with some instruction on how to drive my Z on the track (perferably in my car).

I'm planning a trip to the Nurburgring next year and need to hone my skills a bit.

Any comments or contacts would be gratefully appreciated.

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Better Driving Days 2005

Post by ZZZEMMCO » Thu 11 Nov, 2004 10:16

Look on the "check your dairy" Forum for BDD 2005.First one due on 31st March at Mallory Park.At each of the days, the Institute of Advanced motorists will have assessors to take interested BMW Club members out for free onRoad advice.

3 Day NurburgRing Driving Course , in the Second week of August.Circuit is Closed to the public, and divided into 2-3Km sections to learn in safety in small groups, each with an Instructor & Coach.

Working on Regional Skid Pan Days , although not a lot of interest shown, but it may change over the Winter!!! :roll:
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Re: Better Driving Days 2005

Post by spokey » Thu 11 Nov, 2004 13:44

ZZZEMMCO wrote:Working on Regional Skid Pan Days , although not a lot of interest shown, but it may change over the Winter!!! :roll:
I'm definitely interested in skid pan days! 8-)
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Re: Better Driving Days 2005

Post by BartS » Thu 11 Nov, 2004 15:36

spokey wrote:
ZZZEMMCO wrote:Working on Regional Skid Pan Days , although not a lot of interest shown, but it may change over the Winter!!! :roll:
I'm definitely interested in skid pan days! 8-)
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Post by John Boy » Thu 11 Nov, 2004 20:16

I too would be interested in skid pan days.

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Post by Giles » Sat 13 Nov, 2004 15:52

Paul - I would endorse completely ZZZEMCO's comments.

The BMWCC Better Driving Days are superbly organised, and attract like minded individuals who are respectful of everyone's skill levels. It's a great way of getting to know your car, understand its limits and hone your own skills. There are always plenty of people on hand to give tips and advice as well as take the passenger seat next to you for real 'corner to corner' tuition 8-)

Highly recommended.

(There is a BMWCC trip to the Nurbergring each year which I am planning to attend in 2005)

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Post by spokey » Sat 13 Nov, 2004 17:45

Giles wrote:The BMWCC Better Driving Days are superbly organised, and attract like minded individuals who are respectful of everyone's skill levels. It's a great way of getting to know your car, understand its limits and hone your own skills. There are always plenty of people on hand to give tips and advice as well as take the passenger seat next to you for real 'corner to corner' tuition 8-)
It's just a pity insurers don't see it that way... :x :( :cry:
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Post by ZZZEMMCO » Sat 13 Nov, 2004 18:22

Not ALL insurers are Equal!!! Heritage Ins , Allow Better Driving Days in their Classic policies, AND will give an Extra 10% to Members who have passed the IAM Test.
We must show More insurers, that we are not a bunch of speed freaks, just enthusiastic drivers who are willing to improve our Road safety skills.

On circuit driving gives the chance to experience How Your car responds to a drivers good, bad or indifferent skills,NOT something you can safely do on the public roads. So-- after the circuit drives, go with An IAM instructor , for a free assessment of what ,--- perhaps MAY improve your skill, its NOT-any reflection on your Macho image!!!-just a tiny chance that it may save YOU, from that carnage that Only happens to the OTHER driver.It Can happen to You--I Know-the scars are always there.

So --Just to remind you, after a Good Night out, NO driving eh!!! put a call thru to www.ring.wegen.de/welcome.php Driver Training at its best--click Foto-galerie . See you all in August !!!!! :roll:
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Post by hannanp » Sun 14 Nov, 2004 17:32

zzemmco, very interested in the skid pan training, count me in if you sort something out. I have at least one other person who would also be very interested

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Skidpan training

Post by pyrley » Sun 14 Nov, 2004 19:36

Has anyone tried the simulator training, where the instructor lifts the car with additional wheels? There's one going on locally (Cornwall) for £99 for the day (with instruction)
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Post by ZZZEMMCO » Mon 15 Nov, 2004 11:59

Better if in your own car, as you are familiar with it.Have driven own car on Tallow, oil/water but I found the quickest loss of control, was on a VW Golf , that had the rear fitted with swivel steel solid castors.

Control was lost at 6-8mph, at the blink of an eye!!!. :shock: Very good practice to try to catch it before complete revolution.You didnt need a large area to have a session, small car park would do , No oil or mess.
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Post by garyw » Wed 24 Nov, 2004 20:19

Attended a better driving day/driving experience today at Millbrook testing grounds.. Firstly drove to the site with the advisor who gave notes on driving techniques and seating position.
Then 3hrs on the Millbrook site, used most of the facilities including the Alpine test route to practice lines into corners, braking/or not!! and acceleration and turns. Then onto a handling circuit which was pretty amazing to do at speed. Then onto the Bowl for a few high speed laps. The advisor did a couple and then I got my chance..wow 100mph and let go of the wheel, strange sort of feeling.
I then did the 1 mile straights and braking (175) Next get to 100mph on the straight let go of the wheel and stand on the brakes, Yes the car stops rapidly in a straight line :shock:
I also had a go at some power slides on the smooth surface and then tried doing it with the traction control on- impossible and you get an idea what the system can do.
I then returned to the Alpine circuit as I felt I had learnt quite a bit on the section, more to do with road driving..
If anybody ever has the chance to do a course at Millbrook then please do, it was a brilliant day out and you do learn alot of processes that aren't just for track use. Oh and you get to break the UK speed limit quite a few times..
I also got the instuctor to do a few laps to let me really see what the car can do.. :shock: left me a little sheepish to say the least

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Trip to Millbrook

Post by Phil » Wed 24 Nov, 2004 21:25

I did Millbrook some years ago on a corporate day out.
Justin Bell took me round the banked oval and handling circuit in a Porsche. We did the oval at 166mph when he took his hands off the steering wheel -------scary.
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Post by garyw » Wed 24 Nov, 2004 22:28

Justin (believe to be the same) was there today, my instuctor new him, I just recognised the Bell bit :oops:

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Sharpen the Reflexes

Post by ZZZEMMCO » Thu 25 Nov, 2004 10:08

A group of us did this some years ago, with Police instructors from the Hendon drivers school.Great opportunity to put into practice what you are asked to do, withoiu waiting for a break in the usual traffic ,coming the other way :shock:
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Post by garyw » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 13:53

any idea's when the next Donnington better driving day is on?

cheers garyw

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Post by Giles » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 14:08

garyw wrote:any idea's when the next Donnington better driving day is on?

cheers garyw
I think they all Car Club BDD dates were published in the last magazine - I'll check tonight and report back (unless ZZZEMCO beats me to it!)

(I think Donnington might be Silverstone this year and is being published as CSL day although quite why I've no idea :? )

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Post by Giles » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 14:12

Checked the BMWCC forums - Silverstone is planned for 3rd October but is expensive and will need a big turnout.

Its the CSL 23rd anniversary bash to answer my own question :oops:

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Post by DavidM » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 14:32

Looks good but damned expensive - Castle Combe is off - I just rung to book for us and they said it is cancelled/postponed

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Post by Giles » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 14:49

DavidM wrote:Looks good but damned expensive - Castle Combe is off - I just rung to book for us and they said it is cancelled/postponed
Must have just cancelled it then! - ZZZEMMCO made a post on the relevant thread last night! :?

http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/forum_ ... 13275&PN=1

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Post by DavidM » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 14:57

OK now I am confused - I rang to book it - wanted spaces for both PN and myself - and the lady said it has been cancelled - it may be rescheduled for August or September - but they didn't know that it would be

I was disappointed as I had a redhot credit card burning a hole in my wallet - all ready to pay for the day

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Post by TonyCal » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 15:03

Was that the car club one David? Thought it was members only. Could be wrong though. Unless you have joined the car club that is.

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Post by DavidM » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 15:17

Joined months ago Tony - joint membership

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Post by Russell » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 18:44

Is there a website for Millbrook?

Thanks in advance

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Post by garyw » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 19:00

Russel, I was there in November, what a playground!!!! Picked up a brochure, and hey there's the address..

Its the obvious http://www.millbrook.co.uk

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Post by TonyCal » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 19:33

DavidM wrote:Joined months ago Tony - joint membership
Good for you David

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Post by Giles » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 20:01

For info according to the last club mag these are the confirmed BDDs for 2005.

Mallory Park - Leicestershire
Thursday 31st March

Cadwell Park - Lincolnshire
Wednesday 11th May

Croft - Yorkshire
Monday 25th July (Note date change was 18th July)

Nurbergring - Germany
8th 9th 10th August

CSL Day - Silverstone
Monday 3rd October - tbc

More up to date info is available at the Club website:
http://www.bmwcarclubforum.co.uk/
Or the Club Office 01225 709009

(There does also appear to be an event being lined up at Castle Coombe 14th June - I am attempting to get clarification.)

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Post by Russell » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 20:52

Thanks Gary!

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Post by ZZZEMMCO » Tue 11 Jan, 2005 10:23

All the Dates have been posted on Check your diary for some time, and are updated, also price,s advised.
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Post by M Blur » Tue 11 Jan, 2005 13:20

garyw wrote:Russel, I was there in November, what a playground!!!! Picked up a brochure, and hey there's the address.. Its the obvious http://www.millbrook.co.uk garyw
No chance of getting the Alpine circuit as a BDD.. great 'Ring fluffer if every there was.. :)

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Post by garyw » Tue 11 Jan, 2005 17:29

M Blur wrote:No chance of getting the Alpine circuit as a BDD.. great 'Ring fluffer if every there was.. :)
First section I did was the Alpine circuit, Fanbloodytastic ,amazing, what a section. Tutor took me around and scared the life out of me, :puzzle: or was that the car. :?

and yes it does feel like a mini ring

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Post by M Blur » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 10:33

garyw wrote:
M Blur wrote:No chance of getting the Alpine circuit as a BDD.. great 'Ring fluffer if every there was.. :)
First section I did was the Alpine circuit, Fanbloodytastic ,amazing, what a section. Tutor took me around and scared the life out of me, :puzzle: or was that the car. :?

and yes it does feel like a mini ring
Certainly an idea.. especially given the cost of 'Ring trips etc. I'd be right up for the next day.. maybe we can get a thread running and gather numbers from M Power and Porsche forums.. :idea:

What do you think John (Safe).. being our 'Ring afficionado?
A new BDd for the 2006 calendar.. possible?

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Post by garyw » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 12:08

M Blur, nice idea..but you are looking at an advanced driving type day/half day...£200-400 :shock:
Will look into it though

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Caslte Combe-Postponed.

Post by ZZZEMMCO » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 12:20

Sorry to now Confirm :bawl: :bawl: Castle Combe has had to be Postponed.
maybe later in year.


The "Alpine" is a good Ring taster, sharp radius on bends, does wake up the Reflexes, for spirited driving.
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Re: Caslte Combe-Postponed.

Post by DavidM » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 12:38

ZZZEMMCO wrote:The "Alpine" is a good Ring taster, sharp radius on bends, does wake up the Reflexes, for spirited driving.
Damn - I was hoping that the club office were misinformed :|

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Post by M Blur » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 13:07

garyw wrote:M Blur, nice idea..but you are looking at an advanced driving type day/half day...£200-400 :shock:
Will look into it though
Cheers gary, may still appeal to a small group.. always fancied doing the course.

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Millbrook BDD

Post by ZZZEMMCO » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 13:26

I am having a look at Millbrook later this week, so will advise details asap.
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Re: Millbrook BDD

Post by M Blur » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 14:00

ZZZEMMCO wrote:I am having a look at Millbrook later this week, so will advise details asap.
Nice one Mr Safe. Rgds

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Millbrook ++

Post by ZZZEMMCO » Mon 31 Jan, 2005 15:24

:shock: Not for the want of trying, Visit-Meeting, lots of calls to chase up , now doing costings.Wanted a comparison , so bear with me for day or 3. :rtm:
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Post by Morcilman » Sun 02 Dec, 2007 01:13

Thats my job, but in Spain... so I cant help a lot I give the link just in case you pass by Madrid!
http://www.escueladepilotos.com/esc/esc_cursos1.htm

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