The Z1´s from the famous tuners

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Sun 02 Nov, 2008 19:43

Inspired by tuned Z1´s I listed the Z1 from the known tuners who delivered complete kits for the Z1. Please correct me if I am wrong or if you have additional info.

The Alpina RLE:
Engine: 2.7 ltr 200 BHP
Brakes: original
Suspension: 20mm lower
Wheels: 4 stud: 8*17 with 235-40, badge with prod. number
Rear axle Drive: 3.73
Exhaust: Alpina
Exterior: Alpina striping and badges
Interior: Steering wheel, shift knob and badge with prod. number

The Hamann Z1:
Engine: 2.5: 195 BHP, 2.7: 220 BHP, 3.0: 230 BHP, Turbo 245 BHP
Brakes: front 295-25
Suspension: 40mm lower
Wheels: 4 stud: 8 and 9* 16: 225-50-16 and 245-45-16, wide body kit: 9 and 10*17 with 245-40-17 and 275-35-17
Rear axle Drive: several
Exhaust: Hamann
Exterior: Wide body kit, rear spoiler, front spoiler and badges
Interior: Steering wheel, Shift Knob, Floor mats, Instruments and alu pedals

The Hartge Z1:
Engine: 2.7 ltr 205 BHP
Brakes: front 295-25
Suspension: 25mm lower
Wheels: 4 stud: 7,5 and 8,5*17 with 235-45
Rear axle Drive: 4.27
Exhaust: Hartge
Exterior: Hartge badge
Interior: Steering wheel and shift knob

The Schnitzer Z1:
Engine: 2.7 ltr 200 BHP
Brakes: in combination with 5 stud conversion 280-25 front
Suspension: 25mm lower 4 stud and 5 stud
Wheels: 5 stud: 7,5*17 with 215-40 and 8,5*17 with 245-35, 4 stud: 8*16 with 225-45-16
Rear axle Drive: several
Exhaust: original
Exterior: Schnitzer badges
Interior: Steering wheel, shift knob, floormats and alu pedals

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Sun 02 Nov, 2008 19:57

What about Lorenz and Wiesmann? They bought had full spec tuningprogram for the Z1. Wiesmann had a 3.0l conversion, Lorenz had several engine conversions including a turbo version. I have to look into it to give you more info.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Sun 02 Nov, 2008 20:15

I know Harry, but I did not list them as famous tuners, the list gets longer then:

Lorenz:
Engine: 2.7 ltr 204 BHP, 2.8 210 BHP, 2.5 Turbo 220 BHP, 2.8 Turbo 250 BHP
Brakes: several aftermarket kits
Suspension: several aftermarket kits
Wheels: several aftermarket kits 4 or 5 stud
Rear axle Drive: several
Exhaust: Lorenz
Exterior: Lorenz front spoiler and badges
Interior: Several after market parts like : steering wheel, shift knob and floor mats

Wiesmann:
Engine: 3.0 ltr 210 BHP,
Brakes: original
Suspension: original
Wheels: original
Rear axle Drive: original
Exhaust: Wiesmann
Exterior: Hardtop
Interior: Several after market parts like : steering wheel, shift knob and floor mats

But we also have to add:

DS-Motorsport:
Engine: 2.5 ltr - 3.0 ltr 195-250 BHP
Brakes: several aftermarket kits
Suspension: several aftermarket kits
Wheels: several aftermarket kits 4 stud including Hartge
Rear axle Drive: several
Exhaust: DS
Exterior: Badges
Interior: Several after market parts like : steering wheel, shift knob and floor mats

Hoffmann:
Engine: several from 2,5 -3.2 ltr.
Brakes: several aftermarket kits
Suspension: several aftermarket kits
Wheels: several aftermarket kits 4 stud
Rear axle Drive: several
Exhaust: Hoffmann
Exterior: Badges
Interior: Several after market parts like : steering wheel, shift knob and floor mats

Franz Schaffer:
Engine: several from 2,5 -3.0 ltr.
Brakes: several aftermarket kits
Suspension: several aftermarket kits
Wheels: several aftermarket kits 4 stud
Rear axle Drive: several
Exhaust: Schaffer
Exterior: Badges
Interior: Several specially made parts like : Short shift, wind deflector and after market parts like : steering wheel, shift knob and floor mats

MK-Motorsport:
Engine: 3.0 ltr, 230 BHP.
Brakes: Special Brake disks
Suspension: Springs 40mm lower
Wheels: 8,5*17 with 235/40/17
Rear axle Drive: Original
Exhaust: Complete
Exterior: Badges
Interior: Original

Exhaust: from Scorpion, BTB, EPS and Binoder
Several parts: from Auco and from leder-pflege.zett-eins.de (Michael and Chrissy)

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 15:06

Correct me if I am wrong but Alpina are the only "official" BMW recognised tuner of their cars?

Pierre,

Was there ever a comparison between these tuned cars? Be interesting to find out which ones performed better.

fluoman · Post by **fluoman** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 15:14

Hi,

Alpina is not a tuner!

It's a manufacturer.

Each alpina has its own serial number.

@S@P fluo

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 16:39

fluoman wrote:Hi,

Alpina is not a tuner!

It's a manufacturer.

Each alpina has its own serial number.

@S@P fluo

If so, what exactly do they manufacture?

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 17:08

Alpina's

For example: they get an original BMW Z1 in a specific stage of produktion proces and then change it into an Alpina with its own VIN number by adding the specific Alpina komponents. The car has the name Alpina in all the car papers.

I added Alpina as a tuner because one could also buy most parts seperately.

I know it is a thin line but my definition of famous tuners for the Z1 are the firms wich made their name in tuning BMW's and who had a complete programm for the Z1 as listed. They where also presented this way in the literature from the Z1 over the years.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 17:24

Jet wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but Alpina are the only "official" BMW recognised tuner of their cars?

Pierre,

Was there ever a comparison between these tuned cars? Be interesting to find out which ones performed better.

No Jet AFAIK there are no comparing tests from the Z1, but the e30 with al these engines is tested a lot.

When you compare the 2.7 version's the Alpina was the most tame one, you could see it at the cam shaft they used. It was designed to deliver Komfort not only Power. Off course the Schnitzer was the best. They had many succeses in racing those engines those days.

What you can read is that the use of a shorter rear axle drive was very important to complete it all especially when you know that most tuners used bigger wheels and tyres.

I once drove a Lorenz Turbo that is a different story, it was an old school turbo with a big Turbo hole and lots of Torque when the turbo kicked in.
Mosselmann did it another way they did not change the engine and used a small turbocharger with low turbo pressure.

About the Hamann turbo I can tell you more next summer

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 17:54

pierrez1 wrote:Alpina's For example: they get an original BMW Z1 in a specific stage of produktion proces and then change it into an Alpina with its own VIN number by adding the specific Alpina komponents. The car has the name Alpina in all the car papers.

I added Alpina as a tuner because one could also buy most parts seperately.

I know it is a thin line but my definition of famous tuners for the Z1 are the firms wich made their name in tuning BMW's and who had a complete programm for the Z1 as listed. They where also presented this way in the literature from the Z1 over the years.

Very thin line, Alpina are the only firm from the list who are "Official Recognised partners" of BMW, but I wouldnt call them a manufacturer.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 18:26

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpina
"Brand distinctions
Since the late 70's Alpina has been recognized by TuV as an automobile manufacturer, thus "ALPINA"-built cars are branded and registered as "ALPINA" and not "BMW," although owner privileges through BMW are maintained. ALPINA is a stand alone car manufacturer in close co-operation with BMW, therefore an ALPINA can be bought and serviced at local BMW dealerships, and covered if there is a warranty issue"

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 18:27

pierrez1 wrote:
Jet wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but Alpina are the only "official" BMW recognised tuner of their cars?

Pierre,

Was there ever a comparison between these tuned cars? Be interesting to find out which ones performed better.
No Jet AFAIK there are no comparing tests from the Z1, but the e30 with al these engines is tested a lot.

When you compare the 2.7 version's the Alpina was the most tame one, you could see it at the cam shaft they used. It was designed to deliver Komfort not only Power. Off course the Schnitzer was the best. They had many succeses in racing those engines those days.

What you can read is that the use of a shorter rear axle drive was very important to complete it all especially when you know that most tuners used bigger wheels and tyres.

I once drove a Lorenz Turbo that is a different story, it was an old school turbo with a big Turbo hole and lots of Torque when the turbo kicked in.
Mosselmann did it another way they did not change the engine and used a small turbocharger with low turbo pressure.

About the Hamann turbo I can tell you more next summer

What do you mean with this remark, Pierre! Did you buy something new? You want to share a secret with us?

Share the fun with us Pierre!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fluoman · Post by **fluoman** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 18:43

Jet wrote:Very thin line, Alpina are the only firm from the list who are "Official Recognised partners" of BMW, but I wouldnt call them a manufacturer.

http://www.alpina-automobiles.com/index ... ompany&L=0

@S@P fluo

felix · Post by **felix** » Mon 03 Nov, 2008 20:37

Companies like Alpina and Ruf are deemed as car manufacturers under German regulations. They obviously only exist through close cooperation from the respective major manufacturers. From a quick google Ruf has their own VIN sequence and Alpina cars have an Alpina VIN as well as a BMW VIN.

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 09:17

Fair enough, legislation dictates that we refer to them as a Manufacturer, but in reality they dont make anything, they "enhance/fettle/Tune/Pimp" BMW cars.

"A Manufacturer is a producer of finished goods from raw Materials"

That is not to say they are inferior in any way, still a revered company at the top of their game.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 09:35

Holland Harry wrote:
pierrez1 wrote:
Jet wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but Alpina are the only "official" BMW recognised tuner of their cars?

Pierre,

Was there ever a comparison between these tuned cars? Be interesting to find out which ones performed better.
No Jet AFAIK there are no comparing tests from the Z1, but the e30 with al these engines is tested a lot.

When you compare the 2.7 version's the Alpina was the most tame one, you could see it at the cam shaft they used. It was designed to deliver Komfort not only Power. Off course the Schnitzer was the best. They had many succeses in racing those engines those days.

What you can read is that the use of a shorter rear axle drive was very important to complete it all especially when you know that most tuners used bigger wheels and tyres.

I once drove a Lorenz Turbo that is a different story, it was an old school turbo with a big Turbo hole and lots of Torque when the turbo kicked in.
Mosselmann did it another way they did not change the engine and used a small turbocharger with low turbo pressure.

About the Hamann turbo I can tell you more next summer
What do you mean with this remark, Pierre! Did you buy something new? You want to share a secret with us?

Share the fun with us Pierre!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pierre, we are still waiting for you to break the silence!!!!!!!!!

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 11:23

Holland Harry wrote:
Holland Harry wrote:
pierrez1 wrote: No Jet AFAIK there are no comparing tests from the Z1, but the e30 with al these engines is tested a lot.

When you compare the 2.7 version's the Alpina was the most tame one, you could see it at the cam shaft they used. It was designed to deliver Komfort not only Power. Off course the Schnitzer was the best. They had many succeses in racing those engines those days.

What you can read is that the use of a shorter rear axle drive was very important to complete it all especially when you know that most tuners used bigger wheels and tyres.

I once drove a Lorenz Turbo that is a different story, it was an old school turbo with a big Turbo hole and lots of Torque when the turbo kicked in.
Mosselmann did it another way they did not change the engine and used a small turbocharger with low turbo pressure.

About the Hamann turbo I can tell you more next summer
What do you mean with this remark, Pierre! Did you buy something new? You want to share a secret with us?

Share the fun with us Pierre!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pierre, we are still waiting for you to break the silence!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking the same thing, did you buy it or you know someone that bought it?

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 16:39

Yes Guys I am so excited, I just cannot hide it.

Got me a new projekt, bought a Z1 Hamann. It is a full option car with all the specs like listed above.

It is getting a totall check up now from my favorite car doktor, I am praying that it is technical healthy.

From the exterior it needs some work to appael to my very high standards

The only downside is that I have to say goodbye to my other baby: the M Roadster.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 18:15

I am glad that you revealed your secret!

Although it is a Z1 with a kind of allergic reaction, it's cool that you bought it. It's for sure much more special than your very beautiful Z3M.

It's a good swap, sell your Z3M and get back a Z1 Hamann Turbo.

D*mm your quicker than me again!!!!!!

I have to talk to Franz Schaffer to get an extra engine upgrade.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 19:52

Holland Harry wrote:D*mm your quicker than me again!!!!!! I have to talk to Franz Schaffer to get an extra engine upgrade.

Yes Harry, That's the main reason I bought it

Just kidding, I was looking for a Hamann for several years now, never saw one before irl. I am not disappointed, The wide look is done very good, like it was meant to be this way. Strosek did a good job here.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 20:09

As soon as you have them, send us some nice pics of the Hamann Turbo!

fluoman · Post by **fluoman** » Tue 04 Nov, 2008 22:21

Hi Pierrez1,

Is it one with the large body kit?

@S@P fluo

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 08:35

pierrez1 wrote:
Holland Harry wrote:D*mm your quicker than me again!!!!!! I have to talk to Franz Schaffer to get an extra engine upgrade.
Yes Harry, That's the main reason I bought it

Just kidding, I was looking for a Hamann for several years now, never saw one before irl. I am not disappointed, The wide look is done very good, like it was meant to be this way. Strosek did a good job here.

I would never have thought that sort of conversion would suit someone such as yourself, cant wait to see the pictures and get a performance review.
Im sure the Z3M will be missed, but a Hammann Turbo is a worthy successor.

Fantastic news Pierre.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 09:32

Hi Fluoman,
Yes it's the wide body Jet posted on the forum under Hammann Wide Body Turbo Z1

He Jet,
isn't it time to change the pic of Hamilton and put in the pic of Obama?

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 11:06

Holland Harry wrote:Hi Fluoman,
Yes it's the wide body Jet posted on the forum under Hammann Wide Body Turbo Z1

He Jet,
isn't it time to change the pic of Hamilton and put in the pic of Obama?

I was going to, but as much as I am ecstatic for this historic achievement and happy for the American People, F1 is more inkeeping with this forum.

"I have a dream"

Martin Luther King will rest in peace now.

sfh3l · Post by **sfh3l** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 14:27

Back on topic - "Famous Z1 Tuners"

How could we forget our very own Senna and his M-creations?

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 15:25

Hi sfh3l,

Senna is not a tuner! If he was, you could order a M3 engine convertion for your Z1 at Senna's

Senna is just a Zed creazy guy who made a brilliant engine convertion.

Mark 260ps · Post by **Mark 260ps** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 15:29

What about my Wiesmann 3.2 S52 conversion ? Hardtop & lower diff ratio. 260Bhp certainly makes it more lively than standard !

Anyone have a set 17" wheels for sale ?

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 15:41

Mark 260ps wrote:

What about my Wiesmann 3.2 S52 conversion ? Hardtop & lower diff ratio. 260Bhp certainly makes it more lively than standard !

Anyone have a set 17" wheels for sale ?

Prove it Mark,

We want features, Tech spec and loads and loads of cool Pictures.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 20:19

Jet wrote:I would never have thought that sort of conversion would suit someone such as yourself, .

I hope I have not disappointed you but why did I surprise you, I thought I was an open book with my low and wide cars with big wheels

When Harry and I arrive at the Z1 club events we are always out of line, all other NL Zettie's are original cars mostly still driving the first Pirelli Z tyres

Fortunately my car doktor was satisfied with the health of the Hamann.

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Wed 05 Nov, 2008 20:57

pierrez1 wrote:
Jet wrote:I would never have thought that sort of conversion would suit someone such as yourself, .
I hope I have not disappointed you but why did I surprise you, I thought I was an open book with my low and wide cars with big wheels

When Harry and I arrive at the Z1 club events we are always out of line, all other NL Zettie's are original cars mostly still driving the first Pirelli Z tyres

Fortunately my car doktor was satisfied with the health of my the Hamann.

Not a dissapointment, not at all, a pleasant surprise. Cant wait to see the pictures.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Sat 15 Nov, 2008 14:45

Just added MK-Motorsport, they deliver parts for the Z1 too.

Should be pretty complete now or knows anyone anymore tuners

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Sat 15 Nov, 2008 18:09

No I think it is complete now!

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Sat 15 Nov, 2008 21:36

I have just got off the web with Senna he has agreed £9K for MZ1 conversion it seems he has just thrown his hat into the ring of famous Z1 tuners

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Sun 16 Nov, 2008 00:25

Please let us know when he puts this kit on the market and I 'll add him to the list.

horke · Post by **horke** » Sun 16 Nov, 2008 19:43

fluoman wrote: Alpina is not a tuner!

It's a manufacturer.

Yes - and no.

Alpina has produced 66 Alpina RLEs, where Alpina is the Manufacturer - but also a couple of Alpina Z1s where Alpina was the "Tuner" and BMW the Manufacturer ...

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 17:15

Correct

That's why I listed Alpina as a tuner too.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 18:54

apollo wrote:I have just got off the web with Senna he has agreed £9K for MZ1 conversion it seems he has just thrown his hat into the ring of famous Z1 tuners

Apollo, I just read on the forum that you bought a Z3M!

So I think this is the end of your Senna adventure?

Or are you still going to pimp your Z1. I got the impression that you will sell your Zed?

So Senna won't be promoted to the rang of tuner?

Budget M3 · Post by **Budget M3** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 19:15

Holland Harry wrote:
apollo wrote:I have just got off the web with Senna he has agreed £9K for MZ1 conversion it seems he has just thrown his hat into the ring of famous Z1 tuners
Apollo, I just read on the forum that you bought a Z3M! So I think this is the end of your Senna adventure? Or are you still going to pimp your Z1. I got the impression that you will sell your Zed?

So Senna won't be promoted to the rang of tuner?

Maybe he just bought the donor car

Budget M3 · Post by **Budget M3** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 19:15

Holland Harry wrote:
apollo wrote:I have just got off the web with Senna he has agreed £9K for MZ1 conversion it seems he has just thrown his hat into the ring of famous Z1 tuners
Apollo, I just read on the forum that you bought a Z3M! So I think this is the end of your Senna adventure? Or are you still going to pimp your Z1. I got the impression that you will sell your Zed?

So Senna won't be promoted to the rang of tuner?

Maybe he just bought the donor car

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Mon 17 Nov, 2008 20:06

Holland Harry wrote:
apollo wrote:I have just got off the web with Senna he has agreed £9K for MZ1 conversion it seems he has just thrown his hat into the ring of famous Z1 tuners
Apollo, I just read on the forum that you bought a Z3M! So I think this is the end of your Senna adventure? Or are you still going to pimp your Z1. I got the impression that you will sell your Zed?

So Senna won't be promoted to the rang of tuner?

No, no, I will lose the car for a couple of months so I bought this for a run around.
When it is done do you fancy a race

I am sure you will have more torque, but the evo engine will have more power

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 18 Nov, 2008 08:28

apollo wrote:
Holland Harry wrote:
apollo wrote:I have just got off the web with Senna he has agreed £9K for MZ1 conversion it seems he has just thrown his hat into the ring of famous Z1 tuners
Apollo, I just read on the forum that you bought a Z3M! So I think this is the end of your Senna adventure? Or are you still going to pimp your Z1. I got the impression that you will sell your Zed?

So Senna won't be promoted to the rang of tuner?
No, no, I will lose the car for a couple of months so I bought this for a run around.
When it is done do you fancy a race
I am sure you will have more torque, but the evo engine will have more power

Off course Apollo,

I will be in May or June in the UK with my Z1 because Jet and Benslick will organise a Z1 happening. So you can call me any time for a little race. Just remember one thing it's not just about the power!

Also a LSD, suspension, brakes and the tyres will make the difference.

But it's always nice to meet a fellow Z-head.

Cheers,

Harold

Ps. send us pics and updates when Senna is tuning your Zed!

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Wed 19 Nov, 2008 18:45

Holland Harry wrote:
apollo wrote:
Holland Harry wrote: Apollo, I just read on the forum that you bought a Z3M! So I think this is the end of your Senna adventure? Or are you still going to pimp your Z1. I got the impression that you will sell your Zed?

So Senna won't be promoted to the rang of tuner?
No, no, I will lose the car for a couple of months so I bought this for a run around.
When it is done do you fancy a race
I am sure you will have more torque, but the evo engine will have more power
Off course Apollo,

I will be in May or June in the UK with my Z1 because Jet and Benslick will organise a Z1 happening. So you can call me any time for a little race. Just remember one thing it's not just about the power! Also a LSD, suspension, brakes and the tyres will make the difference.

But it's always nice to meet a fellow Z-head.

Cheers,

Harold

Ps. send us pics and updates when Senna is tuning your Zed!

Would be a pleasure to meet up with you guys.
There are so many mods that you three have done that I would love to see.

In the conversion price are the brakes, LSD and suspension. So not too expensive considering most of my stuff needs changing now being about 20 years old.

Only thinking about doing it as I need to change a gasket for an oil leak any way.

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Wed 19 Nov, 2008 18:57

That price is very good, especially with all those parts.
What S50 are you going to get, a 3.0 or 3.2

How new is the engine or does Senna do a small overhaul, the bearings should be new, is a critical part from the S5032.

When is the car ready, Holland Harry is not coming alone

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Wed 19 Nov, 2008 19:18

pierrez1 wrote:That price is very good, especially with all those parts.
What S50 are you going to get, a 3.0 or 3.2
How new is the engine or does Senna do a small overhaul, the bearings should be new, is a critical part from the S5032.
When is the car ready, Holland Harry is not coming alone

Would be nice to see your car too!!
Going for the 3.2 that is what he recommends. Apparently it is a better fit and you are more likely to get the air conditioning pump.

Basically when he gets back I will take the car to him. A couple of months

I think he buys an M3 checks it and takes the engine out. It then goes into mine

I don't know to much about cars

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Wed 19 Nov, 2008 21:15

pierrez1 wrote:That price is very good, especially with all those parts.
What S50 are you going to get, a 3.0 or 3.2
How new is the engine or does Senna do a small overhaul, the bearings should be new, is a critical part from the S5032.
When is the car ready, Holland Harry is not coming alone

With Hamann widebody Turbo Z1 please!

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Wed 19 Nov, 2008 21:27

Yes, I almost forgot that the English don't like Schnitzels