Spotted: Highgate EDZ 1**

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Thu 25 Mar, 2010 10:48

Who was posing in a Green Z1 with Lemon Interior, around the Highgate, North London area this morning, roof down....regisitration EDZ 1**??

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Thu 25 Mar, 2010 13:41

Jet wrote:Who was posing in a Green Z1 with Lemon Interior, around the Highgate, North London area this morning, roof down....regisitration EDZ 1**??

What, you saw your reflection in a shop window

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Thu 25 Mar, 2010 21:12

Far too clean and tidy to be my Mean Green Machine

I dont think I have ever owned a car that hasnt been modified in some way.

Spring is finally here, the covers have come off, bring on summer!!

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Thu 25 Mar, 2010 22:46

Jet, its bugging me where was that photo taken? is it under Bow fly-over?

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 12:05

BBZ149 wrote:Jet, its bugging me where was that photo taken? is it under Bow fly-over?

It is indeed Eastender, well spotted, its where we will do our photoshoot, when you get your OZ Futura`s. In the meantime, this is the benchmark you will have to beat, shiny black Alpina`s.

When do the OZ arrive?

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 13:29

Jet wrote:When do the OZ arrive?

Transferred money today, approx 3 weeks to build them

but least I know there coming! Just like Summer

Ready for photo shoot anytime after that, preferably before wheels get kerbed lol

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 20:11

What are the exact specs Claus is building you, do you get original OZ Outer Rings

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 20:20

pierrez1 wrote:What are the exact specs Claus is building you, do you get original OZ Outer Rings

Not sure about outer rings but ill ask him. For the money I just paid for them id hope so!

Claus said:
Wheels will be 8,5x18 ET16 and 9,5x18 ET16. Adapters on rear are already included in that offset.

Does this sound OK Pierre

Anybody know if Volkers wheels are 8.5 and 9.5

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 20:47

Did you also order a brake conversion, Mr T? Our are you going to drive your Zed with those big wheels and than have those little p@ssy brakes!!

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 21:01

Holland Harry wrote:Did you also order a brake conversion, Mr T? Our are you going to drive your Zed with those big wheels and than have those little p@ssy brakes!!

HH, one thing at a time

im going to make some fake discs with tin foil for now

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 21:18

The wheels are 8.5 x18 and 9.5 x 18 ET32
I have 20mm Front Adapter
Rear 15 mm Adapter

Greeting Volker

BBZ149 wrote:
pierrez1 wrote:What are the exact specs Claus is building you, do you get original OZ Outer Rings
Not sure about outer rings but ill ask him. For the money I just paid for them id hope so!

Claus said:
Wheels will be 8,5x18 ET16 and 9,5x18 ET16. Adapters on rear are already included in that offset.

Does this sound OK Pierre

Anybody know if Volkers wheels are 8.5 and 9.5

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Fri 26 Mar, 2010 22:24

Volker,

What size tyres are you using?

VolkerZ1 wrote:The wheels are 8.5 x18 and 9.5 x 18 ET32
I have 20mm Front Adapter
Rear 15 mm Adapter

Greeting Volker

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sat 27 Mar, 2010 09:12

I would be 8.5 with 215/40/18
and 9.5 with 245/35/18

My tires on the 9.5 are no longer available.

I'll have to change later on 215/40/18 and 245/35/18.

The tires need If a 3.91 diff is usually translated the zetti too long.

Greetings Volker

Jet wrote:Volker,

What size tyres are you using?

VolkerZ1 wrote:The wheels are 8.5 x18 and 9.5 x 18 ET32
I have 20mm Front Adapter
Rear 15 mm Adapter

Greeting Volker

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Sat 27 Mar, 2010 09:56

Jet wrote:Volker,

What size tyres are you using?

Jet you read my mind!

Volker, did you lower your car? Im trying to work out if I can still use my 225/40/18 tyres from my old wheels

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Sat 27 Mar, 2010 09:58

why did you choose a 215? Do they perform better? It appears to bend inwards away from edge of the rim, as opposed to overlapping the edge and providing some form of Protection.

VolkerZ1 wrote:I would be 8.5 with 215/40/18
and 9.5 with 245/35/18

My tires on the 9.5 are no longer available.

I'll have to change later on 215/40/18 and 245/35/18.

The tires need If a 3.91 diff is usually translated the zetti too long.

Greetings Volker

Jet wrote:Volker,

What size tyres are you using?

VolkerZ1 wrote:The wheels are 8.5 x18 and 9.5 x 18 ET32
I have 20mm Front Adapter
Rear 15 mm Adapter

Greeting Volker

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sat 27 Mar, 2010 10:24

I have 215 because I have an adjustable suspension. It is too close to the inner strut

The Conti tires than 215 is very broad, almost as 225th

225/40/18 has too much rolling circumference.
225/35/18 fit better.
Almost like the original 225/45/16
Tyre calculator in German.

http://www.reifensuchmaschine.de/reifen ... echner.htm

Jet wrote:why did you choose a 215? Do they perform better? It appears to bend inwards away from edge of the rim, as opposed to overlapping the edge and providing some form of Protection.

VolkerZ1 wrote:I would be 8.5 with 215/40/18
and 9.5 with 245/35/18

My tires on the 9.5 are no longer available.

I'll have to change later on 215/40/18 and 245/35/18.

The tires need If a 3.91 diff is usually translated the zetti too long.

Greetings Volker

Jet wrote:Volker,

What size tyres are you using?

Budget M3 · Post by **Budget M3** » Sat 27 Mar, 2010 15:34

Here is a good tire size calculator in English (well, Canadian English, anyway

). You can compare up to 4 different sizes at one time:

http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Sat 27 Mar, 2010 18:11

BBZ149 wrote:
pierrez1 wrote:What are the exact specs Claus is building you, do you get original OZ Outer Rings
Not sure about outer rings but ill ask him. For the money I just paid for them id hope so!

Claus said:
Wheels will be 8,5x18 ET16 and 9,5x18 ET16. Adapters on rear are already included in that offset.

Does this sound OK Pierre

ET 16 is on the small site when you don't want to lower the car. It would better be around ET 20-ET 22. That is much safer.
Claus will give you a list of the ET values you can choose from.

It is always better to pick a thicker adapter afterwarts!

You can reuse the 225/40/18 for the front and should get 255/35 for the rear. They fit together the best.

Or go for the thinner 225/35/18. That is closer to the original size but not as comfortable as the 225/40/18. Another disadvantage is the fact that you cannot get a nice rear tyre to go with it. The closest is the 245/35/18.

I have 215/40/18 and 245/35/18 at my Schnitzer, that is exactly in between. My wheels are 8,5*18 ET 18 and 9,0*18 ET 22.
But I used the 3.91 Diff the compensate for the bigger wheels.

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 09:59

Hi
255/35/18 on the rear axle will not fit. The tire Grind.

VA 225/40/18 HA 255/35/18 .The Zetti was so very slow with the wheels.

9.5 x 18 ET 32 with 15 mm Adapter = ET17
9.5 x 18 ET 32 with 20 mm Adapter = ET12

There is no other way.You can change the wheel on other ET

I now have short diff. I have thin tires so I can more deeply with the adjustable suspension.

I would try HA 235/40/18. From the size it is not optimal for the 225/40/18

The correct tire size is not so simple.

Sorry me English ist so bad.

Greetings Volker

pierrez1 wrote:
BBZ149 wrote:
pierrez1 wrote:What are the exact specs Claus is building you, do you get original OZ Outer Rings
Not sure about outer rings but ill ask him. For the money I just paid for them id hope so!

Claus said:
Wheels will be 8,5x18 ET16 and 9,5x18 ET16. Adapters on rear are already included in that offset.

Does this sound OK Pierre
ET 16 is on the small site when you don't want to lower the car. It would better be around ET 20-ET 22. That is much safer.
Claus will give you a list of the ET values you can choose from.

It is always better to pick a thicker adapter afterwarts!

You can reuse the 225/40/18 for the front and should get 255/35 for the rear. They fit together the best.

Or go for the thinner 225/35/18. That is closer to the original size but not as comfortable as the 225/40/18. Another disadvantage is the fact that you cannot get a nice rear tyre to go with it. The closest is the 245/35/18.

I have 215/40/18 and 245/35/18 at my Schnitzer, that is exactly in between. My wheels are 8,5*18 ET 18 and 9,0*18 ET 22.
But I used the 3.91 Diff the compensate for the bigger wheels.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 13:33

Now I’m confused

lol

Chaps don’t forget my car is AL00472! An early model, Is this going to make a lot of difference? Also going to need to get the ET sorted as Claus suggested 16! and Pierre you say it should be round ET 20-ET 22

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 15:52

8,5 x18 ET 16 225/40/18 fit with your Zetti

I have 8,5 x18 ET 12 with 215/35/18

You get not your rims 8.5 x18 ET 32 with adapter to ET20 or 22

Sorry I can not explain it better with my English

Volker

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 16:32

D@mn your not the only one that is confused now, Mr T!!!!

All these big wheels and tires slow the car down big time. You will need a very short differential (3.91) to get a bit of speed back in the car. You don't need bigger brakes than the car will slow down all by itself with those big wheels.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 16:38

VolkerZ1 wrote:Hi
255/35/18 on the rear axle will not fit. The tire Grind.

255

I think most I would go if it fits is 245/35/18!

Jet, check the rims on your Green

Volker, your car looks brand new in that pic! Awesome

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 16:51

I am now almost finished on Zetti and ready for a big engine

[Quote = "Harry Holland"] D @ your nicht die einzige, die jetzt verwirrt mn, Herr T!! : Puzzle::?

Alle diese großen Räder und Reifen langsam das Auto große Zeit. Sie benötigen einen sehr kurzen Differential (3.91), um ein wenig Geschwindigkeit wieder im Auto zu bekommen. Sie brauchen keine größere Bremsen als das Auto langsamer wird, ganz von selbst mit den großen Rädern. : D: D: D [/ quote]

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 18:06

Holland Harry wrote:D@mn your not the only one that is confused now, Mr T!!!!

All these big wheels and tires slow the car down big time. You will need a very short differential (3.91) to get a bit of speed back in the car. You don't need bigger brakes than the car will slow down all by itself with those big wheels.

LOL HH, yes not confused now!

Ill get speed back one day when I install 3.91 Diff! for now looks are more important than speed

Also get to keep driving license longer

What is the price for 3.91 LSD??

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 19:21

I will try to explain again:

First: your car won't get slower as it is now because you already drive the 225/40/18.

Second: it makes a big difference how the wheels look if the car is lowered like Volkers and mine. When the car is lowered the camber gets more negative and the wheel is pushed inside the fender at the top.
Then the low ET number from Volker works.

When the car is not lowered the low ET number will make your car look like a big foot because the wheels are raging out of the fender and that looks like sh**t

That's why I would advise a higher ET number. Somewere around ET 20.

You can always go to a lower number by using spacers. That is less expensive then sending the wheels back to Claus and let them adjust them when you don't like it

Please give me the exact numbers (inches and ET number) for your current wheels and measure how much more you want them to come out. Then I can tell you exactly what ET number you need.

Pierre

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Sun 28 Mar, 2010 21:22

BBZ149 wrote:Now I’m confused lol

Chaps don’t forget my car is AL00472! An early model, Is this going to make a lot of difference? Also going to need to get the ET sorted as Claus suggested 16! and Pierre you say it should be round ET 20-ET 22

Mr T, all this talk of ET numbers ring a bell?

As this is a one-off deal, you might consider putting the wheels on hold until you have all the options and how it affects handling, performance, tyre selection, allow yourself time to make the correct choice.

The LSD you can get from ATech, the E30 Specialist, between £250-£400.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Mon 29 Mar, 2010 09:31

VolkerZ1 wrote:I am now almost finished on Zetti and ready for a big engine

[Quote = "Harry Holland"] D @ your nicht die einzige, die jetzt verwirrt mn, Herr T!! : Puzzle::?

Alle diese großen Räder und Reifen langsam das Auto große Zeit. Sie benötigen einen sehr kurzen Differential (3.91), um ein wenig Geschwindigkeit wieder im Auto zu bekommen. Sie brauchen keine größere Bremsen als das Auto langsamer wird, ganz von selbst mit den großen Rädern. : D: D: D [/ quote]

Which engine conversion are you going to take? The 2.9l like Henner or the 3.0l like Franz and I have!

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Mon 29 Mar, 2010 11:43

I have not made a decision.

But in 2010 I will not make a big motor.

Regards Volker

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Mon 29 Mar, 2010 14:31

pierrez1 wrote:I will try to explain again:

First: your car won't get slower as it is now because you already drive the 225/40/18.

Second: it makes a big difference how the wheels look if the car is lowered like Volkers and mine. When the car is lowered the camber gets more negative and the wheel is pushed inside the fender at the top.
Then the low ET number from Volker works.

When the car is not lowered the low ET number will make your car look like a big foot because the wheels are raging out of the fender and that looks like sh**t That's why I would advise a higher ET number. Somewere around ET 20.

You can always go to a lower number by using spacers. That is less expensive then sending the wheels back to Claus and let them adjust them when you don't like it

Please give me the exact numbers (inches and ET number) for your current wheels and measure how much more you want them to come out. Then I can tell you exactly what ET number you need.

Pierre

OK Pierre,
Claus has come back with 8x18 ET22 and 9x18 ET22! But now it's 8 and 9 not 8.5 and 9.5 will offset still need to be ET22?? Or shall I just stay ET16 with 8x18 + 9x18?

I will measure what I have on my car and let you know

Cheers
Terry

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Mon 29 Mar, 2010 17:13

Terry, is all a matter of taste. They will both fit.

But in my taste the 8,5 and 9,5 with ET 16 wil come to much out of the fender when the car is not lowered.
This comes at the front about 2.2 cm more out of the fender then the original wheels, at the rear the difference is even 3.5 cm!

At 8 and 9 ET22 it will IMO look better.
This comes about 1 cm more out of the fender then the original wheels at the front and 2.2 cm at the rear.

Give me the exact numbers of your current wheels and I will tell you te difference there too.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Mon 29 Mar, 2010 17:28

pierrez1 wrote:Terry, is all a matter of taste. They will both fit.

But in my taste the 8,5 and 9,5 with ET 16 wil come to much out of the fender when the car is not lowered.
This comes at the front about 2.2 cm more out of the fender then the original wheels, at the rear the difference is even 3.5 cm!

At 8 and 9 ET22 it will IMO look better.
This comes about 1 cm more out of the fender then the original wheels at the front and 2.2 cm at the rear.

Give me the exact numbers of your current wheels and I will tell you te difference there too.

Fantastic, thanks Pierre

I will take some measurements tomorrow.
I would not hesitate in lowering the car and having 35 series tyres, but that is really not an option as the roads in the UK are totally sh@t

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 14:44

Hi Pierre,
I did not get a chance to check current wheels, but my old wheels are:

7.5J x 18 H2 Offset of the wheel is 45 and It has 20mm spacers as in the photo

Big photo:
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt30 ... 1269959733

Do you think 8 + 9 ET22 will sit flush as I need them to come out about another 10mm?

Also how low would I have to lower car to use 8.5 and 9.5 rims, and would I be able to use 40 series tyres? If yes, do you know price of required springs and where I can get them from posted to UK. Thanks

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 15:07

BBZ149 wrote: but my old wheels are:

7.5J x 18 H2 Offset of the wheel is 45 and It has 20mm spacers as in the photo

Yep, that brings you to the ET25, the offset of the original OEM 16" wheels.

BBZ149 wrote: Do you think 8 + 9 ET22 will sit flush as I need them to come out about another 10mm?

ET22 is 3 short of ET25, so if you want an extra 1cm, stick a 1cm spacer in there.

BBZ149 wrote:Also how low would I have to lower car to use 8.5 and 9.5 rims, and would I be able to use 40 series tyres? If yes, do you know price of required springs and where I can get them from posted to UK. Thanks

Option 1
Eibach springs, very popular with Z1 owners, progressive, so retains comfort until you floor it, lowers the car by 25-30cm, price range up to £240 (I might sell you mine

Option 2
There is a set of Spax springs selling on ebay for £154, but check the numbers as this may be a misprint. Nobody I know has used Spax, so no idea how they perform.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BMW-Z1-02-91-94-S ... 3ca9d56e12

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 15:31

Jet wrote:
BBZ149 wrote:Also how low would I have to lower car to use 8.5 and 9.5 rims, and would I be able to use 40 series tyres? If yes, do you know price of required springs and where I can get them from posted to UK. Thanks
Option 1
Eibach springs, very popular with Z1 owners, progressive, so retains comfort until you floor it, lowers the car by 25-30cm, price range up to £240 (I might sell you mine

Talk to me I got dollars and looking a discount

Tyre money!

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 16:58

BBZ149 wrote:Hi Pierre,
I did not get a chance to check current wheels, but my old wheels are:

7.5J x 18 H2 Offset of the wheel is 45 and It has 20mm spacers as in the photo

Big photo:
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt30 ... 1269959733

Do you think 8 + 9 ET22 will sit flush as I need them to come out about another 10mm?

Also how low would I have to lower car to use 8.5 and 9.5 rims, and would I be able to use 40 series tyres? If yes, do you know price of required springs and where I can get them from posted to UK. Thanks

Then your old wheels had the exact same size as the original 16 inch wheels like Jet already posted. So the Difference is like I listed in my previous post:
The 8 and 9J will come out 10mm at the front and 22mm at the rear.
The 8,5 and 9,5 will come out 22mm at the front and 34mm at the rear.

When you lower the car with eibach for example you can use the 8,5 and 9,5. At the front you could drive the 225/40/18 (better would be the 215/40/18), at the rear you need the 245/35/18.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 18:17

pierrez1 wrote:
BBZ149 wrote:Hi Pierre,
I did not get a chance to check current wheels, but my old wheels are:

7.5J x 18 H2 Offset of the wheel is 45 and It has 20mm spacers as in the photo

Big photo:
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt30 ... 1269959733

Do you think 8 + 9 ET22 will sit flush as I need them to come out about another 10mm?

Also how low would I have to lower car to use 8.5 and 9.5 rims, and would I be able to use 40 series tyres? If yes, do you know price of required springs and where I can get them from posted to UK. Thanks
Then your old wheels had the exact same size as the original 16 inch wheels like Jet already posted. So the Difference is like I listed in my previous post:
The 8 and 9J will come out 10mm at the front and 22mm at the rear.
The 8,5 and 9,5 will come out 22mm at the front and 34mm at the rear.

When you lower the car with eibach for example you can use the 8,5 and 9,5. At the front you could drive the 225/40/18 (better would be the 215/40/18), at the rear you need the 245/35/18.

OK Thanks Pierre.
I have found spring compressors for the task in hand, all I need to do now is find the springs! What should I drop front and back by? 35mm front 30mm back, or 40mm front and back?

Cheers
Mr T

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 19:47

The last thing I heard about the Eibach springs is that Eibach is not producing these anymore. Franz Schaffer is negociating with them to get a serie of 50/100 made!

In the mean time maybe try Ebay germany!

Or maybe you get lucky, with a set of springs that is Mr T, and find a set somewhere.

Regards,

HH

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Tue 30 Mar, 2010 19:49

BBZ149 wrote: I have found spring compressors for the task in hand, all I need to do now is find the springs! What should I drop front and back? also which springs on http://www.eibach-springs.co.uk will fit my early Z1 or does anybody hold these for my model in Germany/Holland?

Cheers
Terry

Part number: Eibach E2020-140

felix · Post by **felix** » Wed 31 Mar, 2010 02:04

For the no longer in production Eibach springs see http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22517

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Wed 31 Mar, 2010 20:57

felix wrote:For the no longer in production Eibach springs see http://www.zroadster.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22517

Thanks Felix, also sent you and Danny a PM.

HH, could you please let me know if you see a set on Ebay as most I have found so far are for later model

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