Carbonfiber sidepanels for the Z1

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 04 Jan, 2011 15:14

Guys,

As we all know after 20 years a lot of Z1s have cracked sidepanels trough th age of time, wrong monted panels, to hard suspension or what ever other reason.

A guy in Germany named Michael Kabbert has now made the front sidepanels in carbonfiber. The sidepanels that BMW had made in 2003/2004 are a few centimeters to high and to long. So they don't properly fit. The carbonfiber panels have the same fit as the original panels on the Z1. So they fit much better. Also there have been some little adjustments made for uncomplicated fitting! They are also half the weight of the original panels. And they will no crack even after twenty years!

Maybe I should buy the panels myself. Gives me a reason to repaint the Zed! And make the car a bit lighter!!!

So guys is anyone interrested?
http://www.z1z1.de/zubehoer/carbon/kotf ... aussen.jpg

pierrez1 · Post by **pierrez1** » Tue 04 Jan, 2011 19:24

I am thinking of making carbon prints from the Hamann wide body wings. Just looking for some investors

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 04 Jan, 2011 20:12

Yes Me!!!!!

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Tue 04 Jan, 2011 20:15

Yes Me!!!!!

The widebody panels are even better. Now I have to think about a new color!

benslick · Post by **benslick** » Wed 05 Jan, 2011 09:53

Such a good idea to change the panels to carbon much lighter and much stronger. You could even only replace panels one by one as the old plastic ones crack!!!

Charles_42 · Post by **Charles_42** » Wed 05 Jan, 2011 10:12

The front side panels of my Z1 (and the one of my brother in law's Z1) are still all right. However : any idea of the price : one by one, per couple, mass purchase ???

Racing Tortoise · Post by **Racing Tortoise** » Wed 05 Jan, 2011 11:18

What Charles said ^^^^^^

a1z1 · Post by **a1z1** » Wed 05 Jan, 2011 11:39

Looking at z1z1.de they are 800 euro and will be made in batches of 10. With other panels to follow if enough interest.

Carbon clad z1 here i come maybe!:)

a1z1 · Post by **a1z1** » Wed 05 Jan, 2011 11:43

Looking at z1z1.de they are 800 euro and will be made in batches of 10. With other panels to follow if enough interest.

Carbon clad z1 here i come maybe!:)

a1z1 · Post by **a1z1** » Wed 05 Jan, 2011 11:59

Looking at z1z1.de they are 800 euro and will be made in batches of 10. With other panels to follow if enough interest.

Carbon clad z1 here i come maybe!:)

Bad-Yeti · Post by **Bad-Yeti** » Thu 06 Jan, 2011 13:47

Count me in

Wide body or standard.

I am looking at getting a replacement bonnet made at Lufthansa in Hamburg out of Carbon but we'll see how that goes.

Are they Autoclaved or just wet cured?

Racing Tortoise · Post by **Racing Tortoise** » Thu 06 Jan, 2011 15:28

a1z1 wrote:Looking at z1z1.de they are 800 euro and will be made in batches of 10. With other panels to follow if enough interest.

Carbon clad z1 here i come maybe!:)

That would look awesome. How's the old girl coming along?

Mitsuhiko · Post by **Mitsuhiko** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 07:06

Left side only? I want to have both left and right.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 08:45

Mitsuhiko wrote:Left side only? I want to have both left and right.

The other panels will come if there are enough people interested! And with interested I mean guys who for sure will buy.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 10:36

Holland Harry wrote:The other panels will come if there are enough people interested! And with interested I mean guys who for sure will buy.

Yeah, no windows shoppers allowed lol.

Would you guys be painting these panels if you managed to get a complete set or leaving them bare? As I thought CF changed colour over time in the Sun

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 10:56

BBZ149 wrote:
Holland Harry wrote:The other panels will come if there are enough people interested! And with interested I mean guys who for sure will buy.
Yeah, no windows shoppers allowed lol.

Would you guys be painting these panels if you managed to get a complete set or leaving them bare? As I thought CF changed colour over time in the Sun

You have to paint them mate! Because they don't have the typical carbonfiber look that you mean. They look normal black and only if you put them in the light you see some carbonfiber look.

Mitsuhiko · Post by **Mitsuhiko** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 13:47

Holland Harry wrote:
Mitsuhiko wrote:Left side only? I want to have both left and right.
The other panels will come if there are enough people interested! And with interested I mean guys who for sure will buy.

I already sent a e-mail to my business partner in Germany to get two left fenders.
If right side will be available, I'm sure I will buy 2 of them too.

fluoman · Post by **fluoman** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 17:32

Hi all,

Front left side pannel

Inside

Outside

@S@P fluo

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 17:48

Mitsuhiko wrote:
Holland Harry wrote:
Mitsuhiko wrote:Left side only? I want to have both left and right.
The other panels will come if there are enough people interested! And with interested I mean guys who for sure will buy.
I already sent a e-mail to my business partner in Germany to get two left fenders.
If right side will be available, I'm sure I will buy 2 of them too.

Way to go Mitsu!

I will do the same.

Mitsuhiko · Post by **Mitsuhiko** » Fri 14 Jan, 2011 10:53

I got a good news from my business partner in Germany.
Order for my front panels are completed.
Delivery time for left panels approx 10 days

AND

Right panels will be made soon!
They said delivery time approx in 2-3 Weeks.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Sat 22 Jan, 2011 20:59

And they are for sale on Ebay already. Are they from the same person?

http://cgi.ebay.de/Z1-BMW-Kotflugel-vor ... 4cf49ee5b6

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sun 23 Jan, 2011 11:47

Hi,
Yes, the Michael Kabbert sold on ebay.

Masteweg 8
58640 Iserlohn
Germany

You know Michael from the Holland tour.

Greetings Volker

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Sun 23 Jan, 2011 22:48

VolkerZ1 wrote:Hi,
Yes, the Michael Kabbert sold on ebay.

Masteweg 8
58640 Iserlohn
Germany

You know Michael from the Holland tour.

Greetings Volker

Hi Volker, yes I missed the bottom of the listing, or it was added later

Rechtliche Informationen des Anbieters
Kabbert GmbH
Michael Kabbert

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Mon 24 Jan, 2011 17:12

Guys can someone help me understand the point of carbon fibre panels on a Z1, as it seems a very expensive way of increasing the power to weight ratio.
Especially if you have to paint these panels, by the time these panels are primed and painted surely they will not weigh much different to the originals, you can lift the originals with one finger.

If its weight your trying to save just get rid of your spare wheel and replace it will a can of tyre weld.(thats what i see them doing in Germany) or remove the block of concrete inside the rear bumper

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Mon 24 Jan, 2011 19:49

The problem is that there are no new left front panels .
The front panels sold by BMW will not fit.

Michael front panels fit.

Sorry I think Harold or Pierre can explain it better in English.

Greetings Volker

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 25 Jan, 2011 08:23

apollo wrote:Guys can someone help me understand the point of carbon fibre panels on a Z1, as it seems a very expensive way of increasing the power to weight ratio.
Especially if you have to paint these panels, by the time these panels are primed and painted surely they will not weigh much different to the originals, you can lift the originals with one finger.

If its weight your trying to save just get rid of your spare wheel and replace it will a can of tyre weld.(thats what i see them doing in Germany) or remove the block of concrete inside the rear bumper

Apollo,
I think you will find they are not making these to reduce weight, but as a better alternative to the original. These are much stronger than the standard panels and probably better made. The trouble with the original panels over time is the cracking of the mounting points ETC, my panels are fine and I only have one small crack on the driver’s side above the lock which has not got any bigger over the 5 years I have owned it which is apparently is a common problem!
I hope Michael eventually produces a complete set of panels and the prices come down, as eventually we will not be able to buy panels from BMW

Anyway there is no weight reduction needed on your beast to make it any faster lol

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Tue 25 Jan, 2011 09:34

I agree the price must come down as the original panels are far too expensive. I have a small crack on my wing and they want £498 for a new one. If the carbon fibre panels were a similar price i would definetly buy one but at twice the price it doesnt seem viable.

I am suprised that BMW cant make these panels identical, but i will let you all know if this is true or not as i will be getting it on Friday.

By the way i called BMW in Park Lane for a part that is NO LONGER AVALIABLE ( NLA ) and after calls to BMW Germany they could not get it- so there claims that you can build any classic BMW from scratch doesnt seem to be the case

If someone doesnt address this problem then Senna will continue to dismantle these cars, as they are worth more in parts .

a1z1 · Post by **a1z1** » Tue 25 Jan, 2011 09:56

apollo wrote:I agree the price must come down as the original panels are far too expensive. I have a small crack on my wing and they want £498 for a new one. If the carbon fibre panels were a similar price i would definetly buy one but at twice the price it doesnt seem viable.

I am suprised that BMW cant make these panels identical, but i will let you all know if this is true or not as i will be getting it on Friday.

By the way i called BMW in Park Lane for a part that is NO LONGER AVALIABLE ( NLA ) and after calls to BMW Germany they could not get it- so there claims that you can build any classic BMW from scratch doesnt seem to be the case

I agree and how is it that a rear quarter panel is the same price as a front wing.

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 25 Jan, 2011 11:29

apollo wrote:If someone doesnt address this problem then Senna will continue to dismantle these cars, as they are worth more in parts .

Outrageous that these cars need to be broken for parts! Sounds like BMW don’t give a sh@t

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Tue 25 Jan, 2011 18:35

Look on the bright side, the ones left can only go up in value

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 25 Jan, 2011 19:35

apollo wrote:Look on the bright side, the ones left can only go up in value

That’s until we need parts and must buy from Senna lol

apollo · Post by **apollo** » Tue 01 Mar, 2011 18:47

I bought a new wing from BMW about a month ago and it bolted straight on, it was an exact replacement. The only problem was it cost £489

VolkerZ1 · Post by **VolkerZ1** » Sun 05 Jun, 2011 20:55

Hello Z1 friends in England

New carbon fiber parts are developed.No foiling!!

The hood and doors are made of genuine carbon.
The car comes to England meeting.

Greetings Volker

Lord Taki · Post by **Lord Taki** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 07:23

now I want a full body with carbon

Racing Tortoise · Post by **Racing Tortoise** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 09:12

And what does that cost!?!

Jet · Post by **Jet** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 13:01

VolkerZ1 wrote:Hello Z1 friends in England

New carbon fiber parts are developed.No foiling!!

The hood and doors are made of genuine carbon.
The car comes to England meeting.

Greetings Volker

As parts become obsolete and huge price hikes, an alternative to the original is a great achievement. To undertake something like this must not have been easy, well done Volker and whoever else is involved, that is very impressive.

Holland Harry · Post by **Holland Harry** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 17:13

Very nice achievement from Michael Kabbert and his team!

I had a lot on my mind lately but I will order my whole set of carbon fiber parts soon. No stone chips anymore!

And it looks great.

benslick · Post by **benslick** » Mon 06 Jun, 2011 22:03

Looks brilliant, wonder what the weight saving works out at!

Harry,

Very flash mate!

felix · Post by **felix** » Tue 07 Jun, 2011 11:27

benslick wrote:wonder what the weight saving works out at!

close to the square root of bugger all I should think except perhaps for the bonnet, hard tonneau and boot lid

BBZ149 · Post by **BBZ149** » Tue 14 Jun, 2011 17:29

Wow looks very nice Volker, but would look better on my Black car

shaikhzeep · Post by **shaikhzeep** » Sun 23 Mar, 2014 09:08

Good day gentelmen,
I see this thread stopped.What is the updates on full car body carbon fiber?
Did any body installed the carbon fiber on their cars?
Can i leave the carbon fiber panels with out paint?
Thanks for the updates

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