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Post by Jet » Tue 03 May, 2016 08:35

What would you think is the most valuable part left to salvage on this?

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http://www.schadeautos.nl/de/Verwertung ... +/o/690040
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mrscalex
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Re: Fired.

Post by mrscalex » Tue 03 May, 2016 09:26

The engine bay looks untouched.

A friend owes a salvage business in The Netherlands. I understand from him sales of salvage are very closely governed in the country. Only 5 or 6 companies have salvage licenses. So if anyone is interested then in theory you should be buying from an honourable source.
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1999 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Dimitri) - My brother's car owned from new and restored by me
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
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Always happy to try and help with spares :)

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Post by felix » Tue 03 May, 2016 11:09

And a sad excuse for a Z1 at €25K - https://www.schadeautos.nl/de/suche/Unf ... 20/0/0/1/0

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Post by TJS » Tue 03 May, 2016 12:08

Looks like a ruptured rubber fuel line. It is probably worth checking hoses and replacing with modern J30R10 spec Nitrile lined hoses given the Ethanol in modern fuels will degrade Butyl based rubber hoses. I think I need to put this to the top of the Z1 To Do list.

I came across these lightweight fire extinguishers at the recent Bicester Scramble. It should fit into the compartment behind the passenger seat. Hopefully it will never need to be used.

http://www.firetool.co.uk/index.html

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Post by Jet » Tue 03 May, 2016 15:32

TJS wrote:Looks like a ruptured rubber fuel line. It is probably worth checking hoses and replacing with modern J30R10 spec Nitrile lined hoses given the Ethanol in modern fuels will degrade Butyl based rubber hoses. I think I need to put this to the top of the Z1 To Do list.

I came across these lightweight fire extinguishers at the recent Bicester Scramble. It should fit into the compartment behind the passenger seat. Hopefully it will never need to be used.

http://www.firetool.co.uk/index.html
Good idea.

for those without a glovebox, I would aim for the passenger footwell, where a glovebox should/would have been.

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Post by felix » Tue 03 May, 2016 17:16

Excellent thought/reminder on the fuel lines. I replaced mine perhaps 6 years ago and the originals were hardened and almost brittle. Fairly easy if somewhat messy DIY.

And nice extinguishers - ideal would be a mount just under the front of passenger seat.

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Post by Pat Slade » Sat 07 May, 2016 11:27

TJS has made a very good point about fuel line hoses and ethanol.

Does anyone know if the "original" BMW parts available today are of appropriate, up to date,
nitrile construction?
Or is there a danger that the hoses could be "new, old stock" and not suitable for use with ethanol fuels?
Would be good to see some expert views both here or in "Straight Six". I cannot recall seeing anything on the subject in the Club magazine. Rather surprising in view of the significant number of BMW classics.

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Post by Del » Sat 07 May, 2016 12:21

I don’t think you will find specific lengths of pipe for the Z1-Z3 range or indeed other classics like the 2002 etc. BMW sell their fuel pipe in specific 1 meter lengths – from memory it is more expensive than general motor accessory store stuff, costing about £15 - 20. My investigations pointed to it being very high quality and as you say, able to cope with more corrosive forms of petrol around the World. The outside is stamped with the BMW brand and manufacture date. The BMW clips holding the fuel pipe are also very good quality and stainless steel. I would recommend staying with these BMW parts.

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Post by F.Brossaud » Sun 08 May, 2016 00:14

I agree, BMW fuel hose is definitely much better quality than other hoses that you can find on the market.
For the Z1, you need to buy about 2 meter of fuel hose + some specific hoses cut and bent with a specific shape. I did that 2 or 3 years ago and as far as I remember, all thoses parts were "fresh", not 20 years old stock :wink:

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Post by TJS » Sun 08 May, 2016 10:26

I think we have a task for the next UK Z1 Technical day, perhaps even arrange a day in a workshop specifically to deal with replacing fuel lines on a group basis with a prize for who arrives with the least amount of fuel in the tank ! My daughter would win that competition easily; never borrow a teenagers car .. it runs on fumes.

I had to replace the fuel lines in the TVR, luckily no harm done, and the TVR specialist supplied marine grade hoses which have greater external fire resistance as the lines routed within 4cms of the exhaust manifold. Luckily we don't have that problem with the Z1. 8mm internal diameter / 13mm outer R9 spec hose should be fine with stainless steel hose clamps. I assume oem BMW clamps are the single use compressible "O" rings. Modern R9 spec hose and stainless fittings are widely available plus of course we have the option of BMW kit. The under noted quote caught my eye .. R9 hose has less than 3% permitivity of 80's / 90's fuel hose. What's the permitivity of 25 year old fuel hose !


"" The specific SAE Standard for fuel conveying hoses is SAE J30,
The R6/7/8 Standards represent the drive to cut vapour emissions on carburatted cars in the 1980s & 1990s, with the R9 Standard building on this to cater for the introduction of fuel injection and bio-enhanced fuels.
It can be seen that R9 fuel hose that has been DESIGNED to work with modern fuels has less than 3% of the permitivity of 1980s & 1990s fuel hose. It even out performs the "A1" (ISO 7840) hosing mandated for use in the MARINE environment, where they are hugely stringent about fire-safety.! ""

AS Felix mentioned earlier it is a DIY task which will be easier with access to hydraulic ramps. If anyone is interest in a group workshop day let me know

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Re: Fired.

Post by TJS » Sun 08 May, 2016 11:04

The fire extinguisher arrived

It has a small mounting bracket and will still stand upright in the compartment behind the passenger seat.

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Re: Fired.

Post by felix » Tue 24 May, 2016 10:42

This looks to be the same item but with slightly different branding https://www.amazon.co.uk/PFE-1-Portable ... ag_m_pw_dp

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Re: Fired.

Post by F.Brossaud » Tue 24 May, 2016 18:42

Solve root cause :wink:
Don't buy fire extinguisher, buy new hoses :D

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