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Post by shantybeater » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 14:12

Afternoon all,

I'm midway through recooking my lights to fit my AE's. Does anyone know how to get to the side marker wires (i'm right in saying this is what you use?) is it a bumper off job?
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Post by shantybeater » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 15:00

Scrap that, not happy with the fitment at all so they are going back
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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Jonttt » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 16:14

For reference, you can splice into the bumper side marker lights from the wiring loom in the engine bay. You can just trace which 2 wires go to the bumper. The wiring loom splits at the top of the wing behind the headlights.
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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Greg01 » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 17:55

Hi shanty
which ones did you buy ?
i have just bought a set today !
cheers .
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Post by shantybeater » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 20:49

Hi Greg,

I went for these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350478680114? ... 1497.l2649

The outer rings were a perfect fit but the inners seemed too short and out of place against my chrome rings. At a guess they must be made for the non-facelift lights (without the chrome trims)
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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Greg01 » Sun 01 Apr, 2012 20:55

Hi shanty
Thank you for the heads up i have just ordered the same
One,s
Mine is a pre face lift so I hope I will be ok !
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Post by JAV11S » Tue 03 Apr, 2012 17:28

Greg01 wrote:Hi shanty
Thank you for the heads up i have just ordered the same
One,s
Mine is a pre face lift so I hope I will be ok !
Cheers
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I was on the verge of buying these same ones today. I too have pre-facelift lights, so if I could trouble you to share how you find them that would be most helpful. :)

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Post by g8jka » Tue 03 Apr, 2012 17:43

I think any of the angel eyes will look out of place against the chrome rings as non are the exact shape to fit against them or behind them. If you find a set that fits in front they will probably cover part of the ring or if you put them behind the lens then the chrome ring will maybe cover part of the angel eye. Someone needs to make a set that are a perfect fit for behind or in front of the chrome rings and they would look 8-)
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Post by Greg01 » Wed 04 Apr, 2012 06:26

Hi jav
Will be fitting them this weekend will let you know
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Post by shantybeater » Wed 04 Apr, 2012 07:56

g8jka wrote:I think any of the angel eyes will look out of place against the chrome rings as non are the exact shape to fit against them or behind them. If you find a set that fits in front they will probably cover part of the ring or if you put them behind the lens then the chrome ring will maybe cover part of the angel eye. Someone needs to make a set that are a perfect fit for behind or in front of the chrome rings and they would look 8-)
Ah I see, I think its a deal breaker for me. :(
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Post by JAV11S » Wed 04 Apr, 2012 10:59

Im conscious that my headlights are rather old and 'yellow'. Can anyone recommend sidelight/headlight bulbs that provide a good match to the colour of the 6000k angel eyes? Same goes for the foglights, they too seem rather dull these days and it would be good to freshen up the whole arrangement.

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Post by Mike Fishwick » Thu 05 Apr, 2012 17:18

I use Philips Blue Vision, whichin spite of the fashionable name just give a very white light.

Remember that if the battery is on its last legs the system voltage will be low, so check that with the engine running the battery voltageis between 14 and 14.4 volts. a 0.5 volt reduction beams a reduction of 5 watts ona headlamp.
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Post by Desiro » Thu 05 Apr, 2012 19:26

Call me old fashioned, but I like the warm look of the original incandescent bulbs.

I used to watch my wife driving up the road and think how the lights suited the retro styling of the Zed.

Modders please dont take this the wrong way but it astounds me why people want to fit out of character accessories.

I think i must be getting old :roflmao:

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Post by Greg01 » Sun 08 Apr, 2012 17:33

Well guys
After 7 hours of messing splitting the headlight
Into three parts I can say the angel eyes I got just do not
Fit ! :head:
I got the inner one to fit sort of but not perfect :roll: .
the outer rings are just to big for either side of the lense and wont fit
against the chrome reflector part .
I put my headlight back together and admitted
Defeat :(
I have emailed the seller on eBay where I got them
So will wait an see what happens .
i have also emailed two other angel eyes sellers and asked
them to measure the angel eyes for me , as i have measured
the ones i have, and will buy the one,s that fit .
Greg .

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Post by JAV11S » Mon 09 Apr, 2012 13:59

Greg - Thanks for your write up, shame it didn't work out.

So do we know of a supplier of Angel Eyes that are proven to fit?

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Post by Greg01 » Mon 09 Apr, 2012 14:34

Hi Jav ,
i have emailed two ebay suppliers asking for them to measure the angel eyes for me
if they turn out to be a little smaller i will be ordering some .
i did like the look of the one i managed to almost fit so it all depends on the size !
i have the size,s of the one,s i bought and from them worked out the size i now need
so with a little luck will get it sorted .

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Post by BimBeema » Wed 11 Apr, 2012 14:37

This forum never ceases to amaze me! Talking about Angel Eyes, I had mine fitted by Ben Sweetman, all of about 6/7 years ago (I believe my Zed was his guinea pig as far as this forum was concerned). Anyway they've recently stopped working, and I can't locate Ben anymore (his website Chromeline Design's no longer registered). I wanted to swap out the inverters first before doing anything more drastic such as taking out the headlights, etc or trying to replace the rings themselves. I can see the inverter attached to the headlight on the driver's side with cable tidies where there is also a little bit of space for manouvering but I can't for the life of me see the inverter for the passenger side headlight and there's very little space there to put anything, let alone to get my hands in for a fiddle around! :lol:

Did anyone else who had theirs fitted by Ben know where he located the inverter for the passenger side headlight (I'm assuming there is a separate inverter for each side? or is there just one to cater for both headlights) and how would I get to take it out & finally where would I source a replacement inverter? (I'm thinking ebay, but is there any specifications to look out for?)

As always any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Post by gookah » Wed 11 Apr, 2012 17:44

BimBeema wrote:Anyway they've recently stopped working, .
What has stopped working?
All rings both headlights?
One headlight, both rings?
One ring in one headlight?
All have a different possible fault.

All rings is liable to be a switch or main supply problem
One headlight both rings is likely an inverter, or supply to that inverter.
One ring one headlight is likely to be a bad connector to that ring, or failed ring

Usually one inverter for each headlight, and each inverter does 2 rings.
When you find the second inverter, try swapping them to see if fault changes sides, if it does, then it is probably the inverter.
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Post by BimBeema » Fri 13 Apr, 2012 14:17

Thanks for reply Gookah.

Its both rings in both headlights that have stopped working, but supply should be fine as my side lights which the angel eyes take a feed from are fine & working. The drivers side headlight I actually disconnected the inverter myself as it kept flickering on & off and the headlight on the passenger side stopped working shortly after but I can't locate its inverter, hence my post asking for help.

I'd rather change the inverters first than take out the headlights and open them up as its easier to change the inverters (providing I can locate the passenger side one), if that doesn't fix it then I will have to open up the headlights.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Post by g8jka » Fri 13 Apr, 2012 15:43

As its both rings in both lights it does sound like the inverters have failed. You can buy replacements at a reasonable price so it would be sensible to replace these first and see if that cures the problem.
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Post by gookah » Fri 13 Apr, 2012 15:48

Connections are critical too, especially the ones between the inverters and the rings, They are are an easy check and repair, But dont touch the connector directly as you waggle them cos they can give a nasty bite at that voltage.
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Post by BimBeema » Fri 13 Apr, 2012 16:47

g8jka wrote:As its both rings in both lights it does sound like the inverters have failed. You can buy replacements at a reasonable price so it would be sensible to replace these first and see if that cures the problem.
Thanks. So any idea where the inverter for the passenger side headlight might be located and also what do I look out for buying replacement inverters? is there any specification?

Thanks again.

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Post by Gazza » Fri 13 Apr, 2012 17:05

Hi Sam

I too had my first set done by Ben, My inverters were under the headlights.
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Post by cosmosblack » Sat 14 Apr, 2012 22:56

i went through 2 invertors from ben i got one of ebay for about a tenner and havent had a problem since been in the car for about 5 years

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Post by Greg01 » Sun 15 Apr, 2012 08:50

Hi all,
After some messing i finaly have the angel eyes fitted in the car !
the place i got them sent me two extra set,s of angel eyes out and to see which fits best ,
the original kit they sent is for the facelift model .
the ones i put in are a little smaller than the ones in the kit that didnt fit and these are almost a complete ring.
but fit snug on the front of the lense .
i managed to fit them but they need a little fettling today , i also de tangoed the headlight
ordered some chrome bulbs a much better look .
will post some piccs later .
im not convinced yet about the look with the smaller eyes but will see how the overall look is once done .
the other ebay sellers didnt even reply to my emails .
so if these dont look right its a new set of headlinghts with the rings in :roll:
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Post by BimBeema » Tue 17 Apr, 2012 15:21

Gazza wrote:Hi Sam

I too had my first set done by Ben, My inverters were under the headlights.
Ah, was dreading that, means taking the headlight out! Thanks for reply though.

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Post by seasurfer » Tue 17 Apr, 2012 15:26

Looking forward to seeing your finished headlights, im sure they will look 8-) I did mine 14 months ago, and put them behind the lense (prefered the look better) just wished i had done them alot sooner :D they look so much better even with the orange indicators removed too.
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Post by JAV11S » Sat 05 May, 2012 08:09

Greg,

Did you get these angel eyes in? Were you pleased with them and you have any pics?

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Post by Gazza » Sat 05 May, 2012 08:15

BimBeema wrote:
Gazza wrote:Hi Sam

I too had my first set done by Ben, My inverters were under the headlights.
Ah, was dreading that, means taking the headlight out! Thanks for reply though.

It's only 3 fixings, really easy to remove :wink:
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Post by OldskoolRS » Sat 05 May, 2012 08:55

Everytime this thread pops back to the top I keep wondering who are these 'people with angel eyes'. :D I wonder if you could get some special contact lenses made up...

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Post by Mike Fishwick » Sat 05 May, 2012 10:30

Yes - I have heard of people with slitty eyes, but angel eyes - they must be a dead cert!
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Post by Bonzo » Sat 05 May, 2012 17:49

Or cert(ainly) dead! :roflmao:
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Post by bertiejaffa » Tue 26 Nov, 2013 19:58

Hi All...

I have upgraded my headlight unit over the weekend with a proper set of Xenon lights including the angels eyes.... looks great I have to admit but I am wondering if there is somewhere else to connect the angels eyes to?

Like everyone else I tapped off the side lights in the bumper (facelift 2.0L) so they are on when the sidelights are on but I would prefer them just to be on automatically when the engine is running and turn off when the engine is killed. This way I wouldnt have to have the manual effort of pulling the light switch out everytime I get in or out..... This is how the running light work on my A5 too.

- any ideas where I could tap this feed off from ?? I might also put a switch in too just incase I would ever want them off

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Post by Gazza » Wed 27 Nov, 2013 10:05

You coulkd pick up a live feed from the rear of the ignition switch or the light switch.
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Post by gookah » Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:05

I took the top off the fusebox and tapped into the Green/Black wire below fuse 24,
This is an ignition controlled supply (to powered mirrors amongst others) and means my angel eyes come on automatically when I turn the key.
Its also on the fused side
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Post by bertiejaffa » Wed 27 Nov, 2013 16:43

Cheers Gookah... I looked at that and wondered where to start but now I have a fuse number it will make it a damn sight easier !!

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Post by Mike Fishwick » Fri 29 Nov, 2013 12:42

I find that while a Z3 fitted with circular angel eyes looks OK in the dark when they are turned on, it looks wierd in daylight, because the headlamps are not circular. This also means that the AEs also obsure a good portion of the headlamp lens's useful area, which is not a good idea - and could even be a reason to fail an MoT, if the current regulations were fully observed.

Apart from considerations that they may look 'cool,' I think they are a lot of money to spend on fancy parking lamps - it would be better to fit the BMW system, where a special module (61 35 8 368 039) replaces the main beam relay, supplying the main beam lamps at low voltage when the ignition is turned on. This also has the advantage that it is a fully Z3 type-approved DRL system, which would stop anyone claiming that an accident was your fault, due to your driving around on parking lamps.
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Post by littlefeller » Mon 09 Dec, 2013 19:52

I did think of fitting these, but seems a lot of bother (though they do look cool). im going for these instead -
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Post by Southernboy » Tue 10 Dec, 2013 11:56

....... People with "Angel Eyes"....... :roflmao:
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Post by Del » Tue 10 Dec, 2013 12:23

"Angel eyes" - something I used to say to the missus 30-years ago! :D

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.......I hope you're still diplomatic at least... :D
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Post by Jonco » Tue 10 Dec, 2013 17:41

Mike Fishwick wrote:............ it would be better to fit the BMW system, where a special module (61 35 8 368 039) replaces the main beam relay, supplying the main beam lamps at low voltage when the ignition is turned on. This also has the advantage that it is a fully Z3 type-approved DRL system, which would stop anyone claiming that an accident was your fault, due to your driving around on parking lamps.
Interesting alternative - have just priced part 61358368039 on BMWMini parts - £99 plus VAT.

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Post by Del » Tue 10 Dec, 2013 19:04

Jonco - I saw Mike's post about this as well. Not being an expert in auto electrics, in simple terms how does this work? If it's a simple, legal upgrade that looks trendier - that suits me fine :)

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Post by Jonco » Tue 10 Dec, 2013 20:01

Del wrote:Jonco - I saw Mike's post about this as well. Not being an expert in auto electrics, in simple terms how does this work? If it's a simple, legal upgrade that looks trendier - that suits me fine :)
Del, I am no expert either - maybe Mike or somebody else can explain. I have found the part on http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do ... g=25&hl=25 (item 13) but cannot find it on a wiring diagram yet. Still looking.............

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Post by t-tony » Thu 12 Dec, 2013 20:30

If DRL's are really what you're after I fitted some on my Z this summer.They came from Auto-Electrical co. in Lincoln. I fitted them in the centre grille right at the bottom as far apart as possible in the bottom "slot" of the grille and I had to remove the 2 outer uprights on the lower slot of the grille which doesn't weaken the grille at all . They are simply fixed in with double sided 3m tape,I located an ignition fed fuse in the fuse box which,when you turn off the ignition and lock the car keeps them illuminated for a few seconds which allows me to get to the house door before being plunged into darkness.These lights also came with the relay which turns the DRL's off when you have lights on to supposedly comply with the law? Why do some new cars have DRL's on all the time? Anyway I'm really pleased with mine and my friends say they know it's my car coming from a mile away it is so distinctive.
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Post by c_w » Fri 13 Dec, 2013 09:16

I'm all for headlight modification if it's making their output better (I've got some bi-xenon projectors in mine now), but angel eyes I'm not keen on as they are usually too big (as people have found don't fit the headlight as the circles are flattened on the Z3 headlight), or like the Chinese headlights, they are too small and too dim. I understand they are a BMW feature on new cars but I removed them from my projector headlights (or rather I painted them silver!).

Originally these are the Chinese black projector lights, painted the barrels and halos silver, changed the projector to a bi-xenon D2S setup and added OEM clear indicator lenses;

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Fitting extra DRLs IMO just don't look right, makes the car look a bit try-hard because it's so old you have to resort to fitting dull aftermarket parts. Either buy a new AUDI or just switch your headlights on in the day :lol:

I would say the best setup if you want DRLs is the relay Mike mentioned. Sounds very expensive and I'm sure there's a cheaper source for the relay, but a dim main beam would look factory and contemporary as that is what most non-LED DRLs are like on BMWs and other cars.

One thing for me is how the car looks lit up at night, IMO it doesn't look good is extra lights on extra the headlights (why I never ran the halos originally as the inner ring looked rubbish next to a projector), so as above make sure any extra external DRLs turn off with headlights.

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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Mike Fishwick » Fri 13 Dec, 2013 09:56

The BMW relay for DRL use of the main beams costs about £65 or so - not too expensive when compared to the alternatives - and it has the advantage of being fully type-approved for the Z3, so avoiding any accusations of having been driving on parking lights, which are all that angel eyes legally are.
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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Jonco » Fri 13 Dec, 2013 13:50

Mike Fishwick wrote:.........The BMW relay for DRL use of the main beams costs about £65 or so -.......
Mike - definitely interested but is that a UK price - if so would be grateful if could say where please?
As stated above I made an enquiry through BMWMini Parts and they were quoting £99 +VAT (RRP was £112 +VAT) - delivery from Germany.

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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Robert T » Fri 13 Dec, 2013 14:10

That may have been the price a while ago, as BMWFans quotes £65 as the GBP price (See http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/61358368039/). However Coopers are currently asking £135 or thereabouts. The same part fits E36 3-series and E38 7-series, so you may be able to find cheaper versions. It says "National Version Canada", so may be worth looking abroad for replacements.

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Re: People with angel eyes

Post by Jonco » Fri 13 Dec, 2013 20:15

Robert T wrote:That may have been the price a while ago, as BMWFans quotes £65 as the GBP price (See http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/61358368039/). However Coopers are currently asking £135 or thereabouts. The same part fits E36 3-series and E38 7-series, so you may be able to find cheaper versions. It says "National Version Canada", so may be worth looking abroad for replacements.

Cheers R.
Thanks Robert - missed that one looks good. Price from BMMini was as recent as Wednesday.

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