Failed MOT, unbelievable......
Failed MOT, unbelievable......
My Z3 has failed it's MOT and is therefore deemed unroadworthy because.............
the driver seat doesn't move backwards and forwards.
As I discovered when I looked this up, it is a new regulation this year, if you have an electric seat it has to work.
So I now have to fix the seat, have the car re-tested, so I can put the seat back to the position it is already in and hasn't moved
from in the four years I've had the car great!
I had a look under the seat and the motors appear to be working fine but the spindle that attachs to the rail furthest from the door appears to have bent.
It's item 4 in this picture http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/Z3/Ro ... seat_rail/
Anybody else had this issue?
the driver seat doesn't move backwards and forwards.
As I discovered when I looked this up, it is a new regulation this year, if you have an electric seat it has to work.
So I now have to fix the seat, have the car re-tested, so I can put the seat back to the position it is already in and hasn't moved
from in the four years I've had the car great!
I had a look under the seat and the motors appear to be working fine but the spindle that attachs to the rail furthest from the door appears to have bent.
It's item 4 in this picture http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/Z3/Ro ... seat_rail/
Anybody else had this issue?
Re: Failed MOT, unbelievable......
Howi,
Sorry to hear your car has failed its MOT, The spindles are flexible metal spring like spindles in a black plastic tubing for protection, they can be bent/manipulated back in to shape without too much hassle. You will need to watch out that the two bottom runners that guide the seat backwards/forwards at either side of the seat are lined up correctly or the seat jam. The motor is held in with either 2 torx screws IIRC.
HTH
Sorry to hear your car has failed its MOT, The spindles are flexible metal spring like spindles in a black plastic tubing for protection, they can be bent/manipulated back in to shape without too much hassle. You will need to watch out that the two bottom runners that guide the seat backwards/forwards at either side of the seat are lined up correctly or the seat jam. The motor is held in with either 2 torx screws IIRC.
HTH
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Thanks Brian, I'll try a bit of gentle manipulation tomorrow.
The seat currently jams as it only moves forward on the right handside.
The seat currently jams as it only moves forward on the right handside.
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The spindles have squared ends, it just sounds as if the far one has popped out.
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We had a problem with the passenger seat not moving.Not MOT related.The previous owner had replaced the roof and that was a welcome plus when we purchased the car.However,we soon found out why.Water had been getting in and water had got onto the rail and aluminium bracket at end of motor spindle,and everything had seized up.We purchased two seat bases from a gent on ebay who was trying to sell the seats complete.We opened up the seat motor using a T20 Torx Driver ,pulled the spindles out and found the motor was working but it couldn't move the seat.We could only undo 3 of the 4 nuts/bolts that hold the seat in the car and took it to a BMW Indie to get the final corroded nut out and the seat changed.What a hassle and all down to a leaky roof.Changing the seat itself is relatively easy but let's hope you don't need to do it.
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I had stupid advisories on mine!
Items removed from drivers view prior to test- That was my sat nav and
Engine covers fitted obscuring some components in the engine bay- What`s that all about?
That was at Kwikfit, should know better than to go there but it was a cheap offer-£30
Items removed from drivers view prior to test- That was my sat nav and
Engine covers fitted obscuring some components in the engine bay- What`s that all about?
That was at Kwikfit, should know better than to go there but it was a cheap offer-£30
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alec.m wrote:I had stupid advisories on mine!
I too had my first advisory this year, the first one the car has had in 12 years. It was only to tell me my front brake pads were getting low. I take the car to the same MOT station each year, which is owned by one of my friends and I was standing talking to him as the tester was doing the car. He told me the pads were getting low so I told him to stick a new set in, but it was still put on the sheet as the pads were replaced after the test was done. They have to be very strict about these things now as their licence is at stake, spot checks on the MOT stations are regularly done
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And you were dead right, just popped it back it in and the seat works fine now.Brian H wrote:The spindles have squared ends, it just sounds as if the far one has popped out.
Even managed to get the car back to the garage this morning and the car has now passed for another year.
Thanks Brian.
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Your welcome, glad I could help out, it is always nice to get an MOT for another year.Howi wrote:And you were dead right, just popped it back it in and the seat works fine now.Brian H wrote:The spindles have squared ends, it just sounds as if the far one has popped out.
Even managed to get the car back to the garage this morning and the car has now passed for another year.
Thanks Brian.
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Re: Failed MOT, unbelievable......
I'm puzzled - which section of the test manual was youor car failed on? In the January 2012 edition, which is the newsest on their website, it does not mention such as causes for failure.
Is there a later version?
Is there a later version?
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Why do you need to be able to move your seat forward and back in a 2-seater car? As long as the position is fine for you it surely can't fail.
Some cars have fixed seats (Elise/VX220 have the passenger seats fixed at least) but some cars have both seats fixed and the pedal box moves to adjust for leg length.
Some cars have fixed seats (Elise/VX220 have the passenger seats fixed at least) but some cars have both seats fixed and the pedal box moves to adjust for leg length.
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Thanks for the info Brian H, have sorted my drivers seat, now I can get the backrest at a comfotable angle as the seat was jammed fully back
Cheers, Bonzo.
Cheers, Bonzo.
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this is taken from the 2012 MOT test manual and clearly states the drivers seat must move backwards & forwards.6.2 Seats and Doors 6.2 - page 1Mike Fishwick wrote:I'm puzzled - which section of the test manual was youor car failed on? In the January 2012 edition, which is the newsest on their website, it does not mention such as causes for failure.
Is there a later version?
Information
Method of Inspection
Reason for Rejection
Original Design characteristics and specialised modifications (e.g. to enable wheelchair access) are to be accepted.
Every effort should be made to lift folded seats to facilitate their inspection; however, this is not mandatory where it would be unreasonable, such as due to the presence of heavy, fragile or numerous passenger effects or other articles.
When checking the driver’s seat adjustment it is not necessary to check that the seat can be secured in all possible positions.
In the case of electrically adjusted seats, it is not necessary to check that any ‘memory position’ function is working.
The inspection of doors does not apply if no driver’s or front passenger’s doors were fitted as part of the original design of the vehicle.
A lack of door handles because of original design characteristics or specialist modification is not a Reason for Rejection provided the door can be latched securely in the closed position.
Reasons for Rejection regarding the opening of doors does not apply to:
goods vehicles modified for the carriage of high value cargoes such as armoured security vehicles
passenger doors if the door aperture has been permanently ‘filled’ as part of a specialised customisation provided that there are no obvious aperture gaps.
A.
Seats
1.
Check the driver’s and all passengers’ seats for security.
2.
Check that the backrests of all seats (front and rear) can be secured in their normal upright position.
3.
Check that the driver’s seat position can be adjusted forwards and backwards and secured in the selected positions.
B.
Doors
1.
Open and close the driver’s and passenger’s doors. Check that:
a.
each door latches securely in the closed position
b.
the driver’s and front passenger doors can be opened from both inside and outside the vehicle
c.
any other passenger doors can be opened from outside the vehicle.
2.
Check door hinges, catches and pillars for presence, security and condition.
1.
The security of the driver’s or any passenger’s seat is significantly reduced.
2.
A seat back that cannot be secured in the upright position.
3.
The driver’s seat fore and aft adjustment mechanism not functioning as intended.
1.
a.
A driver’s or any passenger’s door does not latch securely in the closed position
b.
a driver’s or front passenger’s door cannot be opened from both inside and outside the vehicle using the relevant control in each case
c.
a passenger door cannot be opened from outside the vehicle using the relevant control.
2.
A door hinge, catch or pillar missing, insecure or deteriorated to the extent that a door cannot be readily opened or closed.
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Re: Failed MOT, unbelievable......
It's amazing what happens when you try clicking on 'Next page' isn't it? I always wondered why I could never see things such as tyres and rust . . .
A Z3 is not just for Christmas - it's for life!
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Mike Fishwick wrote:It's amazing what happens when you try clicking on 'Next page' isn't it? I always wondered why I could never see things such as tyres and rust . . .
it gets to us all in the end Mike
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Here it is in human readable form.
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s06000201.htm
There are no date restrictions on this section, so it is good to see this:
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/m4s06000201.htm
There are no date restrictions on this section, so it is good to see this:
Cheers R.A lack of door handles because of original design characteristics or specialist modification is not a Reason for Rejection provided the door can be latched securely in the closed position.
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Re: Failed MOT, unbelievable......
thanks Robert,not everone is a computer whizz
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No worries, Keith. It's in a stupid three column layout, so straight cut and paste made it go a bit weird, could probably do it with tables on here for you, but I am supposed to be working.
Cheers R.
Cheers R.
Arctic Silver '99 Z3 1.9 & Black '59 Frogeye 1275cc