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Hamann hardtops...

Post by Z3cade » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 11:22

Keep looking at them on google images.. Sooooo gooood! 8-)

Why isn't there any for sale?

Wish someone in the know how would make copy's of them.. Think so many of us zed owners would have one

If they were available who else would want one? :D
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Post by Deano1712 » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 11:28

Yes please I would go for it. Im not bothered about a standard hardtop but the Hamann version is lovely. If they were common maybe the appeal would be less...

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 11:34

The differences between the Hamann and the OEM are subtle but make a big difference. The smaller rear window, more shallow slant at the back and the bumps on top - i assume for rollhops - somehow make it look sleeker, harder, classier. I dont think if they were more common the appeal would be less. OEM roof always go for good money and they are pretty common.
Like you say, shame no one has ever produced anything simliar. You wouldnt think it would be that difficult to produce a fibreglass version maybe. I'd like to see one in the flesh and see how it is mounted though.
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Post by Z3cade » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 11:41

I think they transform the look of the Z3..

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There so much more aggressive and the smaller square window and low slung back just looks amazing..

I'm pig sick that there not available :bawl:
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Post by Captain » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 11:55

I would definitely have one, unfortunately that's never going to happen.

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 11:55

I think I read somewhere lat elast night that UK official supplier charges £1900. I looked on the Autovogue website and they have these pics, so i assume they are still available.
The Blue Zed there is a pre facelift 2.8. worth maybe £3000 in principal? in great nick of course, but even with the wheels and the roof its still got to be about £6k-£7k. But it looks like a MUCH more expensive car.
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Post by Boysie » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:02

Awesome looking top
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:08

....I'm for one if anyone will make them!!! :D
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:11

I cant guarantee they are still available but the UK Hamann suppliers have them pictured prominently on their z3 page

http://www.hamann.autovogue.com/z30699.php
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:15

I'll wager the moulds are gathering dust at Hamann's factory..... :head:
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Post by Boysie » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:18

The two tone makes that car look amazing
We all tend to think hardtop same colour as car "Boring"
I'm not keen on hardtops on softops, I have one
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Post by Boysie » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:19

Southernboy wrote:I'll wager the moulds are gathering dust at Hamann's factory..... :head:
Do a group buy :lol:

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:21

the finish on that one is carbon fibre, but any idea what they were actually made of? are the oem ones steel or something lighter?
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:27

Someone really needs to have a chat to Hamann!! Can't bear the idea that they have the moulds, the specs for the windows etc etc and there's some pokey little storeroom with all this stuff stashed away...doing nothing!!...except burning my a***
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:34

You never know, if they arent available they may be willing to do a limited run to order if enough people were serious about it. It would probably double the value of my car!
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:41

You should look into the possibility...you're right there..take a weekend and pop over for beer and Ham (ann).... :D
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Post by Deano1712 » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:57

I just phoned them...

Available on 8wk delivery. £1700 + Vat + shipping. Come in matt black for painting.
Chat said should get price down to maybe 1500 with a group buy.

Im up for it. Anyone else?

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:00

HAHAHA! now that IS a tempting offer! Is that from Autovogue or from Hamann direct? Judging by what you get on Google there are PLENTY out there who'd have one. Shantybeater will be gnawing on his Porsche steering wheel!
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:01

Also, would that include the fitting kit?
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:02

I'm in!! But no VAT please...I'm a foreign buyer!!! I'll pay the shipping. :D
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Post by Deano1712 » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:10

Price is from Autovogue. You need a standard fitting kit on top of that.

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:12

From what I've read the fitting kit is peculair to the hamann hardtop, its not the same as the OEM. But i stand to be corrected if anyone knows for sure. I believe JonTTT and Shantybeater have both discussed this in the past. has anyone ever even seen one in the flesh? At a show maybe?
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:16

What constitutes a "Group buy"...5 units, 10 ??
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Post by Z3cade » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:21

I would be interested.. But a final cost including shipping and vat needs to be worked out on a group buy
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:26

....£1500 is a good starting point...+ shipping...I'd be happy with £2000 duty here.
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:37

Before everyone starts writing cheques I'd like to know a little more - what exactly is it made of? What is the headlining? and how exactly does it fit are the main ones. Do they fit well? I understand the OEM ones have the odd leaking issue? I'm assuming no-one on the board has one to answer these. I'd be very interested in principal, but I wouldnt be handing over that kind of money till I'd been able to find everything out. Plus, its not just the cost of the roof, its the rest of the money id have to spend on the car to bring it up to a standard that the roof deserves! New wheels, tyres, M gills, M mirrors,M front bumper, lowered suspension..... Hmmm.. this might become a long project....

I'll be perusing a few other boards i think..
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:40

From what I've read, the quality is OEM and better...Although the best person to ask would be the cause of this thread....since he has one fitted, it would seem a good place to start??
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Post by Z3cade » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:42

Few more teasers..

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Post by Z3cade » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:44

Would have to be carful as theres a couple of Hamann styles.. The ones above

And found this labeled as Hamann 2 hardtop.. Looks awful :?

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Post by Robert T » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:45

For reference, the BMW hardtop was £2000 inc. VAT, fitting kit and fitting back way back in 1999. As this is a new top, the price does not seem that unreasonable. The OEM top is plastic/fibreglass - you'd never lift it if it was steel! They shouldn't leak if the rubber seals are fine, but if your soft top leaks via any of the seals, then it is likely that a hardtop would too. I don't see why the Hamann one should be any different if they can manufacture them accurately. There is also a Wiesmann hardtop, which is more like the OEM one.

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:46

The only pics ive seen seem to be German and Dutch! now THERE's a question - is there a SINGLE Hamann hartop fitted z3 in the UK? You'd think if there was, it would be an enthusiast on a forum somewhere... JonTTT seems to be the ultimate collector and he has definitely expressed an interest in the past, he might know someone who has one.
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:49

Robert T wrote:For reference, the BMW hardtop was £2000 inc. VAT, fitting kit and fitting back way back in 1999. As this is a new top, the price does not seem that unreasonable. The OEM top is plastic/fibreglass - you'd never lift it if it was steel! They shouldn't leak if the rubber seals are fine, but if your soft top leaks via any of the seals, then it is likely that a hardtop would too. I don't see why the Hamann one should be any different if they can manufacture them accurately. There is also a Wiesmann hardtop, which is more like the OEM one.

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Thats interesting. Given that the Harmann roofs look so utterly badass, makes you wonder why they werent more popular if the price was essentially the same as OEM.
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Post by Z3cade » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:51

Wish there was a Uk supplier... Be great to see one in the flesh..

If there is someone in the uk with one they probably don't know how rare it is...
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 13:59

They probably do know how rare it is...How many Z3's have you ever seen with one on it?
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:03

Just found a seller ----Brand new - ex Germany - EU.2989.15. ....AND.....it's the real badass one !!
That would be ex shipping etc, unless you decided to take a drive across for a vacation, and came back with a hard top fitted.... :D
Comes complete with all hardware too...and headliner, and defrost rear window, and it's available for cars with or without roll bars....
www.vividracing.de

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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:04

Z3cade wrote:Wish there was a Uk supplier... Be great to see one in the flesh..

If there is someone in the uk with one they probably don't know how rare it is...

Z3cade - Autovogue ARE the Uk supplier, they are in the midlands the link is in the thread.
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Post by Deano1712 » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:18

Southernboy wrote:Just found a seller ----Brand new - ex Germany - EU.2989.15. ....AND.....it's the real badass one !!
That would be ex shipping etc, unless you decided to take a drive across for a vacation, and came back with a hard top fitted.... :D
Comes complete with all hardware too...and headliner, and defrost rear window, and it's available for cars with or without roll bars....
http://www.vividracing.de

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Why buy there when its £2040 from Autovogue? Its the same part.

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Post by g8jka » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:19

Back before I knew much abouts zeds there used to be a black M around our area with what looked to be a Hamann kit on it. It also had a hardtop on it, I wonder if it was a Hamann one? It looked very similar to the Hamann M on google images and we are not to far from autovogue so maybe it was one that came from there? Haven't seen it around for years though :cry:
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:22

If Autovogue will do them for £1500 on a group buy...I am a dyed in the wool groupie!!!
Is anyone going to ask if they're serious about the price, and what would constitute a "group" as ar as quantity ? Also, does that come with fitting kit, heated rear window, headliner and a partridge in a Z3 ?
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Post by Deano1712 » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:32

I have just asked them for an all up price for 1 off and 5 off delivered. He is getting prices for me today or tomorrow. He is also checking it fits using the standard fitting kit.

Hardtop comes with defrost, roof liner and all fitting hardware.

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That sounds promising..... :lol:
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:50

Deano1712 wrote:I have just asked them for an all up price for 1 off and 5 off delivered. He is getting prices for me today or tomorrow. He is also checking it fits using the standard fitting kit.

Hardtop comes with defrost, roof liner and all fitting hardware.

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Thanks for your effort Deano. I'd be interested in theory but I think I'd want to do some other stuff to my car first and see one in the flesh before I committed. So I VERY much hope some of you guys go for it so the rest of us can check it out!
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 14:56

I think I'd def have it on for winter...all 3 months of it....and perhaps if I organise a hoist in my garage to lift / lower it off / on...it would be a quick change for evening cruising, when the hard top might be more desirable...nice to have the options, and undoubtedly a plus in terms of vehicle value and saleability...it just looks the part.
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 15:03

Deano...you should make clear it will need to be the roof for cars with roll bars...the non-roll bar version doesn't have the "bumps" on the roof.
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Post by Eastsix » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 15:07

With unbelievable timing Ive just received an email about a massive restructure at work and significant redundancies :shock:
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Post by Deano1712 » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 15:10

Oh dear sorry to hear that.

If the price for 5 off is good I will post a group buy thread. If I buy one I want to move fast to be sure its here and painted ready for Silerstone.

They are quoting the part for roll hoops.

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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 15:45

Hey Deano...will you query the VAT issue with foreign buyers ...I don't think I would be liable for the VAT...also, shipping cost ---BY SEAFREIGHT !! to Johannesburg - South Africa...
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Post by Boysie » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 17:47

Southernboy wrote:Hey Deano...will you query the VAT issue with foreign buyers ...I don't think I would be liable for the VAT...also, shipping cost ---BY SEAFREIGHT !! to Johannesburg - South Africa...
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Post by Southernboy » Thu 14 Mar, 2013 18:05

Ray, I'd love to...but it's a long long long drive home afterwards... :D
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