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Post by littlefeller » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 19:47

well folks I have decided to start another thread concerning the foot well led mod I did on my z, it is posted in the -what did you buy your z thread) but it seems to have caught the attention of a few members. im thinking not everyone looks at the - what did you buy your z this week, so im starting a new one.
I don't know about everyone else but personally I quite like the more orange interior lights of the z, almost retro 50s. they are hard to find, unlike the garish bright led lights available on the flebay.
I got mine from work, they were destined for an M and S store, there used inside some of the display stand in the home department. the next time the M and S man comes in to see me (usually Wednesdays) I will tackle him as to the supplier name and part numbers for these led strips. I simply wired mine to the courtesy light which allows them to dim out, it would also be possible to simply wire them to the door switches, but you wouldn't get the dimming effect.
I have also fitted them inside my boot.
as promised I will send sets onto the first couple of members who have enquired for these lights, however I cant do this for everyone as I would soon run out, what would I say to M and S :shock:
so if anyone else needs them, register your interest here so I can order a quantity, as to price they would be real cheap as there supplied by the hundreds to the store.
there simply strips of led with a sticky backing, they can be cut with scissors to the desired length, every 3 led have a resistor so there is no worry of over powering them, they are 12v forward voltage.
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Post by wifevanda » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 20:04

i would like to register my interest looks good

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Re: foot well lighting

Post by stupot50 » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 21:26

Me to, they look great!!
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Southernboy » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 21:37

Nice work!! I used 2 e36 sunvisor lights to do the same in my car...connected to the center overhead light circuit...they come on when the door is opened and "fade" out with the center light too...
Bought off eBay...the third one went into the boot... :wink:
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Fender2004 » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 21:43

Cool count me in as well can you explain in more detail how you wire them in
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by ROBBELL » Mon 09 Sep, 2013 22:58

Hi
Count me in as well please they look good, also more detail how to locate wires to connect
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Post by RichP » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 00:59

also interested...
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by cn55 » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 07:52

Also interested..... Where do they wire into??

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Post by von+petez3 » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 08:50

count me in, they look great but I would need a lot of info on how to install it!

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Post by petecossie » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 09:01

I'd be interested in doing this installation of LEDs in the foot wells. Put me down for a set.
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Harlowm1 » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 17:13

Count me in please if there are enough!! Plus as a newbie here instructions would be most appreciated!!

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Post by littlefeller » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 20:11

looks like a popular mod, ok heres more info.
these are the led strips
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they also come with a bridging cable, this cable is real handy as I will show you. the cable is on the left
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the led strip has a male end and a female end
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the bridging cable also has a male/female end.
there are 4 pins on both the strips and the cable, there are 2 positive and 2 negative pins.
you can utilise these in the following manor - first I separated the 2 outer wires like this
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then I cut through the 2 inner wires like this.
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i now pulled the 2 cut wires all the way along till it stoped at the other plug at the end of the cable.
I now have a cable with 2 loose wires which I will use for the power feed from the car, I also have both the male and female plugs at intervals along the cable.
i then cut the led strip in half, so i have 2 smaller strips (approx. 50cm in length), one with a male plug and one with a female socket the same as the 2 plugs on the cable. if this isn't too clear it doest matter as i will do all this myself before sending them out.
it looks something like this (though i will point out i have drawn this slightly wrong as the inner and outer wires are the wrong way around.

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now for powering the leds
oh yeh forgot to mention, both the led strips and the cable has the plus and minus on them to prevent plugging them in the wrong way.
right back to powering the lights.
sitting in the drivers seat - remove the A post trim
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under the trim and near the top of the A post there is a 3 pin plug (arrowed)
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the 3 wires for the plug are as follows, brown wire with a black stripe is the positive feed for the led strip (i will label the cables before sending them out), the red and white wire is the ground while the plain brown wire has something to do with the side lights and we are NOT intrested in this wire at all.
once the wires are fed through the rear of the foot wells the power wires need tucking behind the rubber trim like this
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then its a simple case of splicing the wires together, i think maybe the best way to cover how i fed the wires through the footwells and connected the wires is if i re-do mine at the weekend, i cheated and wired mine straight to the interior light, im would rather splice mine into this 3 pin plug, so im gona redo mine and take pics as i go. this just shows how easy it was, takes about 20min in total 8-)

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Post by littlefeller » Tue 10 Sep, 2013 20:56

oh yeh suppose i had better point out the obvious, always be aware while messing with electrical systems on cars that are fitted with airbags and or safety restraints that are powered by pyrotechnics (explosive charge) could lead to an injury or even be fatal, it can and does happen. hope i havnt put anyone off, its quite rare but even a mutimeter plugged into the wrong wire can trigger an airbag. though the electrical system associated with srs are usually labelled and usually have there own harness. just covering my arse :D

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Post by Althulas » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 02:33

Count me in for a set to please.
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by siwilson » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 07:58

LeatherZ do a kit for the footwell lights. Not as cheap as knife an forking it yourself, but still good value at $55. You can also download the installation instructions Here
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Post by ZedAintDead » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 11:02

I'd also be up for this, with instructions! ;-)

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Re: foot well lighting

Post by eyerisk » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 12:59

Hi these look great, but cannot see any pricing - am I missing something really obvious - or can someone let me know how much the kits cost please?

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Post by littlefeller » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 17:40

the instructions in the linky are a bit overkill, but interesting, good link. as to the pricing errr no your not missing anything as I havnt posted a price, im not a business so pricing will slaughter the $55 tag on the others, I would say less than £8. at the moment I have about 8 sets of the above, however im now looking at the idea of plug and play without having to use my instructions above, I like the idea of using the scotch connector ( I had considered this myself) though this may be something folks will have to supply themselves (I will have a looksee on ebay first) as to removing any trim I found the A post the best place to slice into as it doesn't involve removing any trim screws (didn't want to damage my screw covers 8-) ) I fed the wire from one footwell to the other using a wire coat hanger, then taped the wire to the hanger then gently withdrew the hanger bringing the wire through 8-) .
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Post by Boysie » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 18:02

I wish I got in earlier
I'm up for a set if there are any left
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Post by littlefeller » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 18:34

yes there are going to be enough for everyone 8-) the advantage of these is there is no cutting out of the trim :evil: as in the kit linked above, not that im saying this other kit isn't any good or anything instead they simply stick to the trim underneath and out of view :twisted: . plus led are cheap :P

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Post by Brian H » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 18:49

Hi littlefeller,

Nice little modification and nice results however I have a slight query regarding the loom you are tapping in to.
littlefeller wrote:the 3 wires for the plug are as follows, brown wire with a black stripe is the positive feed for the led strip (i will label the cables before sending them out), the red and white wire is the ground while the plain brown wire has something to do with the side lights and we are NOT intrested in this wire at all.
The three wires in the loom you are tapping in to is purely for the interior light and the wires are as follows: -
  • Brown = Ground
    Brown/Black = Switched feed from Body Electronics Control Module
    Red/White = Permanent feed from fuse 33
I think you should be using the Brown wire (Gnd) and the Brown/Black wire (switched) for your lights. At the moment you are getting a ground through the lamp itself.

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The interior lighting circuit for these cars is not like the older systems where the door switch grounds the circuit, the door switches are connected to the body electronics module, it is this unit that sends the signal to turn on/off the lights. Please do not take this as criticism as I do not want to put a damper on this project, I just want it to be right for you if other are going to be installing it in to their cars.

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Post by littlefeller » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 19:15

yes that's correct, however the brown wire switches to a red and white at the plug (odd) depending on wether you tap into above or below the plug. I didn't notice this till I was looking at the pics. the instructions will be much simpler now, here is the new modified led strip (just one double cable, just need the scotch plugs now and hey its done) :lol:
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the new strips will be going exactly where you have suggested, as mine at the moment isn't the same as these I will be redoing mine at the weekend.
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Post by littlefeller » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 19:18

oh yeh, I grounded mine somewhere else as I didn't want 2 wires under my rubber sealing trim running along the top, wouldn't want my roof to leak.

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Post by littlefeller » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 20:08

right, I have had a butchers on ebay for the scotch wire connectors, there real cheap so I will buy a load. I will post the new fitting instructions as I do mine (with pics) for everyone to have a look and comment, all comments welcome, even if you think you may be criticising, you wont be :) after all as rob has pointed out it looks as though it is going into a fair few cars. both types will be available, with the first type having plugs on the ends while the others are much simpler, premeasured and soldered. (they are both the same light colour. 8-)

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Post by Althulas » Wed 11 Sep, 2013 21:59

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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Alan W » Thu 12 Sep, 2013 09:10

Is this a similar product?:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-KITCHEN-C ... 659wt_1304

They also do it with black backing
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by eyerisk » Thu 12 Sep, 2013 13:16

Count me in at £8......can you paypal me at ian.brimer@gmail.com and I will sort payment.

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Post by littlefeller » Thu 12 Sep, 2013 17:37

Alan W wrote:Is this a similar product?:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-KITCHEN-C ... 659wt_1304

They also do it with black backing
yes that's is similar, but the wrong colour. the basic idea is the same but then how are these wired? you can buy this type of led on reels.

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Post by littlefeller » Thu 12 Sep, 2013 17:53

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getting there :) however I will have to have a rethink on the scotch joiners as I don't think they will fit under the A post trim, I still think this is the best place (easiest) to tap into the interior light circuit so I will have to come up with something else, it needs to be real simple like the scotch joiners. :?:

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Post by littlefeller » Thu 12 Sep, 2013 22:12

ok just to tie up a few loose ends and an update as to were I have got to.
firstly the price for these lights comes out at around £8, this includes postage (1st class royal mail).
the new type of design is different to the one pictured, though the colour is the same. the difference is the led strips now only have two wires and no plugs, the idea is to make them a tool free install with clear instructions.
no cutting of anything is involved and is completely reversible.
I have had a few pms regarding how to pay - I think it best I pm everyone who has registered an interest in the thread.
as to the qty available, I have seem my marks and spencer's representative (buyer for the in store displays) and he has ordered me more of the strips so available qty will not be an issue.
in the meantime I will be using current stock (which he has agreed to) and will be replaced with the ordered led.
I would prob be easier for me to post most, if not all at around the same time once the design is finalised (this weekend hopefully).
so if there is anyone else just leave your interest on this thread :wink:
I will keep everyone updated as I progress, and will post in this thread (keeps things easier for me to follow) sorry for those who are awaiting them in the post but I would rather get this right (unless your willing to wire them in yourselves without the tool free kit then yes the earlier plugged type are still available and ready now).

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Post by littlefeller » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 18:50

the list so far

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Althulas
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by the_youth » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 20:44

Interested!

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Post by Frank.A » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 21:03

Add me to the list of punters please.

Thanks for your efforts and sharing these!
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added :wink:

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Post by Rafolian » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 21:37

Add me as well!

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Post by littlefeller » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 21:54

:shock: another joins the fold. uummm I need to get those shares in royal mail :lol: soon it will be rare to see a z without footwell lights, I also have to install some in my mrs 206 and the daughters 307 and her boyfriends e46 (the daughters boyfriend before anyone asks :lol: )

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Post by littlefeller » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 21:58

just a thought, im assuming we are all in the uk, if not postage costs might push up the cost for these members slightly :? I wouldn't have thought by much though

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Post by Boysie » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 22:10

littlefeller wrote:just a thought, im assuming we are all in the uk, if not postage costs might push up the cost for these members slightly :? I wouldn't have thought by much though
You'd see it in a different light then eh :D
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Post by littlefeller » Fri 13 Sep, 2013 23:04

yep shore would, depends where they are :lol: :lol:

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Post by Topaz Z3 » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 10:30

Littlefeller,

That is a real Top Job.

Can you please add me to the list for a set of these.

They are just what I need, will save me from using a torch every time the wife drops something in the foot-well!

Thanks for all your hard work and perseverance. :thumb:

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Post by colb » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 11:21

Please add me in for a set.

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yep added

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Post by PCSAM » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 12:08

stick me down for a set mate ..... great work :D
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Woody1000 » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 20:07

After reading this thread with interest I thought I would have a go as I use the same LED lighting within my kitchen designs and installations, I followed the instructions and 20 mins later all done ! The only tricky part was splicing the wires in the capping behind the Pillar Really makes a difference and many thanks for sharing
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Post by littlefeller » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 20:40

yep that's it, looking good there. I had loads of these strips going missing during shop install, I should imagine all the fitters now have great kitchens :lol: :lol:

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Post by littlefeller » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 20:56

latest developments


tools needed
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i also used a stanley blade which i will get to later
using the penny
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remove the 4 plastic trim screws by turning them 90 degrees, the screws (though technically there not screws just trim clips) are located under the footwells, this is the passenger footwell with screw locations arrowed
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once the screws you can lower the upper trim like this
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using a suitable piece of wire (mine is a handle off an old bucket but and stiff wire is fine
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feed the wire from one footwell to the next through the back like this
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check to see if it has come through
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tape the end of the led strip to the wire
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then carefull with draw the wire back the way it went in so to pull the strip into the oposite footwell like this
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remove A frame trim (it just clips in so is real easy to remove)
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withdraw the 3 wires from the A frame
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first attempt i used the scotch splicing plugs
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however the wires in both the A frame and the led are too thin for the scotch plugs to work so i had to resort to good old splicing
this is where the stanley blade came in handy. i removed a tiny piece of sheaving from the 2 wires needed
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the wire colours are as follows, the longer wire on the led strip is the posative feed and needs to go to the brown wire with the black stripe.
the shorter led wire needs to go to the plain brown wire
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good old fashioned insulating tape
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i will buy scotch plugs for narrower guage wire (think there the red ones), the ones i brought are blue.
personaly i couldnt be bothered to wait so i just spliced mine straight to the wires as in the pics to test the new led strips and the new splice location.
it doesnt work in the same way as feeding them straight from the interior light in the way mine was originals set, they come on and dim out as before,
however if you wish to use the interior light when the doors are closed then just the main (original internal light) comes on and the strips dont.
this is simply that the main light runs from the red and white wire when switched to the on posision.
it would depend on what you wish to use the footwell lights for, i have no need for just the light so im leaving mine wired where they are.
taking the feed from the brown and black wire will always result in this setup, so the other $55 set linked in this thread would also operate in the same way.
if you wish to run them with the on position avalible then i can post a how to for this too, but it isnt as simple.
i now have this
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check all is working as it should before going any further
if all ok - replace drivers side footwell trim, keeping the wire tidy.
you can see in this pic where the old set was, the new set will be going in exactly the same place
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remove a small piece of the backing and attach in place
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run it along removing the backing as you go to finish like this
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now for the other side, i found it best to run the wire over the trim like this before reattaching the trim inside the footwell
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replace trim
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keep it tidy, you can tuck and surplus wire back behind the trim
stick to underside of footwell as you did on the drivers side
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using the penny, gently push the feed wires behind the rubber seal and dash
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finished
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took me 15 min (but i have done it once before)

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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Woody1000 » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 21:04

Not me !!!! I use the 5mtr reals and the one I used here was warm white as the cool white was too bright. Would never had thought of it if I hadn't seen your thread !! I have had a few reals of the bright white go adrift and sure I have seen a few fiestas with R8 style LED lights !!
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Post by littlefeller » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 21:47

do your boot too, I did mine 8-) its even easyer

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Re: foot well lighting

Post by Woody1000 » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 21:56

I just noticed that you spliced your wires below the plug of the wiring loom and used the brown wire and black wire, I spliced mine above the plug and used the red wire and the black wire ! I'm sure the brown wire below the plug actually connects to the red wire above it ! It all works anyhow :)
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Re: foot well lighting

Post by littlefeller » Sat 14 Sep, 2013 22:28

yeh for some odd reason the wires change colour at the plug. the red and white wire is for when the light is switched to on (not on door switches but on the last setting which stays on) the brown in the middle is the ground. the way yours is wired now (same as mine) if you switch the light on with the doors closed the led doesn't come on, if you wire the positive to the light itself then take a ground somewhere else you can have both (led and main interior light on if you use the last switch position with the doors closed).
at first I tried using the led as the ground, but this doest work as the led current is so low it wont allow the main light to illuminate (restricts the flow).
I am leaving mine as they are now (I don't use the interior light) they dim out well too

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