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Nad
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I have a Z3 1.8 but the 1.8 badging had been replaced with a 1.9i which is not correct for this car. Can anyone tell me if the badging for my car should be just 1.8 or a 1.8i ?
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Davejue1
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1.8 mate
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lebigmec
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  Z3 roadster 1.9i
Location: Downham Market, Norfolk.

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Nad wrote:I have a Z3 1.8 but the 1.8 badging had been replaced with a 1.9i which is not correct for this car. Can anyone tell me if the badging for my car should be just 1.8 or a 1.8i ?
Bill :?:
Bill,
You don't mention which year your car was built. The facelift, ie. after 04/99 cars that have the four cylinder M43 engine (like the earlier 1.8), were badged up as 1.9i & sold as 1.9 cars. This was because the older 1.9 M44 engine wasn't ever fitted to facelift models (I think emissions laws changed or something, not sure), & the newer M43 engine wasn't the same as an earlier 1.8 in as much as it was slightly more powerful at 118bhp. The 1.9 M44 was 140bhp & the 1.8 M43 was 115bhp.
So, if your car was made after 04/99, & has an M43 engine, it is badged correctly as a 1.9i. :)
If it was built before 04/99 & has an M43 engine, it's badged incorrectly. And I'm not certain, but I think that 1.8 cars didn't have an engine size badge on them at all.
I hope that clarifies it for you.
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Nad
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  Z3 roadster 1.8 TU

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Hi Trayton
The car was an import built April 2000 and first registered here new on Nov 2000 and is the facelift model 1.8 118bhp 1895cc eight valve engine. :colourful:
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Opinions differ as to whether any true, very early 1.8 (M43 engine) Z3s ever made it to the UK. The general situation is that the earlier UK 1.9 Z3s had the M44 engine and then from the facelift in 1999 this became the M43 TU which was 1.9.

The situation is a little confusing as my understanding is that in the 318 E36 saloons, BMW used the 1.8 M43 and subsequent M43TU 1.9 but retained the “318” badge throughout. As stated above, I have seen facelift M43TU engine Z3s with the badge 1.9i on the rear.
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Nad wrote:Hi Trayton
The car was an import built April 2000 and first registered here new on Nov 2000 and is the facelift model 1.8 118bhp 1895cc eight valve engine. :colourful:
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Bill,
I would say that your car is correctly badged then, as 1.9i.
My car has exactly the same engine, but was made 08/01 & registered 10/01. It is also badged as a 1.9i, the badging has never been changed from new, so that is what BMW called it.
Another way to check would be to put your vin number into the realoem website & see what it calls your car. It brings my car up as 1.9 M43.
Personally, I have no doubt that your car is badged correctly though.
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  Z3 roadster 1.8 TU
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RealOEM brings mine up as follows
Z3 E36 Roadster z3 1.9 Europe 12/1999 M43 engine
The boot badge is 1.8

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1.9i would be correct. It is the same capacity as the M44 1.9 at 1895cc but has 8-valves rather than 16. The much earlier 1.8 was something like 1790cc and AFAIK never sold in the UK.

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Yes when I check the chassis number it comes up as Z3 1.8 it is an E36 (7) so I think it should have the 1.8 badge on the boot, glad I asked the question, there are still some mystery's around the Z3 models :shock:
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Nad
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colb wrote:RealOEM brings mine up as follows
Z3 E36 Roadster z3 1.9 Europe 12/1999 M43 engine
The boot badge is 1.8

Colb
Hi Colb
The engine in my car is the same as yours 1895cc M43TU Europe 10/2000 I have now replaced the 1.9i badge with what I think should be on it a 1.8 :squeeze:
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Nad

Further delving into RealOEM on mine shows the emblem listed as being 1.9 on the parts list no listing for a 1.8 other than in the pictures of all, the emblems. As far as I know the 1.8 badge is the original on mine, strange it only shows the 1.9 in the parts list when using my Vin number as I thought what appears in the lists using the vin search was what was fitted to the car at the factory.

Looking at a 10/200 search not using a vin number shows it as having a 1.9i badge!!

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if it is 1895cc why would you want to put a 1.8 badge on it?
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gookah

I think Nad is after originality and suspected his had been re-badged to a 1.9 from a 1.8, having looked at RealOEM for his build month and year it lists it as having a 1.9i badge. Mine on the other hand 12/1999 listed 1.9 badge but as far as I know the 1.8 badge sitting on my boot is the original. One of these BMW factory mysteries I suppose?


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Mine is a 2002 4cyl m43tu 1895cc 8 valve engine. Original Build History thread brings it up as a Z3 1.8 model but under engine it states it is a 1.90l - work that one out!! The original sales brochure only list a 1.9i
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BMW were confusing everyone around the time of the E36. They had a 325 with a 2.5 litre engine. A 325 that became a 328 with a 2.8 engine and a 323 which replaced the 325 which also had a 2.5 litre engine. It's always confused me :D
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I have the same 2000 m43 1895cc badged 1.8 oem says 1.9 ???????
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The very early (pre-facelift) 1.8 litre model was imported into the UK, but only to special order - I have met a lady who had one, complete with narrow steel wheels, and without fog lamps. Oddy enough, it was the same colour (Hellrot 3) as mine, with the same paint code on its label, but was quite a bit darker.
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Mike Fishwick wrote:The very early (pre-facelift) 1.8 litre model was imported into the UK, but only to special order - I have met a lady who had one, complete with narrow steel wheels, and without fog lamps. Oddy enough, it was the same colour (Hellrot 3) as mine, with the same paint code on its label, but was quite a bit darker.
Hi Mike
I am the third owner of this Z3 the last owner had it for ten years and he assures me it had the 1.8 badge on the boot up until some paintwork had to be carried out on the car and that's when the 1.9i got stuck on it, the 1.8 badge is hard to find now so I think that's what happened to it.
As the car was first registered in 2000 it is the wide body model as the boot lights cut into the boot.
But very interesting hearing the members comments.

PS I used to be in the Scottish BMW M/C club many years ago too. :colourful:
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Del wrote:BMW were confusing everyone around the time of the E36. They had a 325 with a 2.5 litre engine. A 325 that became a 328 with a 2.8 engine and a 323 which replaced the 325 which also had a 2.5 litre engine. It's always confused me :D
Yes, I had this previously, I had a 318 tourer but the engine was 1990 (or 1985/1995.... I know for sure it was a damn sight closer to 2.0L than 1.8!)
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