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New Project - 1998 M Roadster

Post by Sailorbaz » Wed 16 Apr, 2014 17:04

Some of you may have seen a number of my posts asking questions and looking for some parts. It's all for an M Roadster my family bought in 2001 from CoPart after the insurance had paid out due to a dashboard fire.

I have a few photos of when we got the car home back in 2001 but can't put my finger on them at the moment. Here are some photos of more recent times, now we've bitten the bullet and started working on it.

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I got it home to Northern Ireland and started the task of pulling it apart. Needless to say, a hammer and some decent sized crowbars were needed.

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And this is how she sits now after cleaning and pulling out all damaged stuff other than the look

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Got all the parts I need gathered up now including blue/black dash, dials, centre consoles, carpets everything but forked out for a brand new look from BMW which come in on Monday.

Final photo for now...
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Post by 692DPG » Wed 16 Apr, 2014 21:10

Good luck with the project, it will be great to see you bring the car back to life. :thumb:
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Post by janijoeli » Wed 16 Apr, 2014 21:34

Oh man, I've been waiting for this... This is going to be an EPIC thread! :cheers Subscribed!
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Post by pedro20001 » Wed 16 Apr, 2014 21:48

you are very brave......and i am very jealous !!!!!!!!!!

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Post by Southernboy » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 06:28

That's a "Captain Kirk" project.... bravely going where no man has gone before... + another watcher. :sunny
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Post by Mint » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 08:52

That's going to be a huge amount of work. I'm not sure I would attempt it. Best of luck and I'll be watching with interest.
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Post by BonBon » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 09:00

:cheers
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Post by Sailorbaz » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 14:06

Thing is with buying the new loom direct from BMW (1 of only 2 left in Germany) is it comes with all connectors, including the full Fusebox with all fuses. It should be straight forward enough feeding the cable through as I disconnect the old one. Once the Fusebox is bolted in, the engine bay connectors should be easy, the difficulty will be routing to all the correct places in the interior. Things like, rear speakers, gear knob lamp and all the wee bits like that. The bulk of the damage was around the heater box, which only has a few connections.

I'm excited about getting it back on the road and as we get close to the end will no doubt be online looking for photos and some of the smaller, nigly parts.

Cheers,
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Post by martyb » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 19:48

Now this is a proper restoration!

Good luck

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Post by spurs fan in a coupe » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 19:54

Great project, good luck, there's always someone on here who can help when/if you get stuck.

Just out of interest, what mileage is on it!
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Post by Alfie » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 20:05

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Might do the trick?

Good luck!

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Post by Brian H » Thu 17 Apr, 2014 23:14

Good luck with this, Great project. I did not realise that you could buy a complete loom, every day is a learning day, Subscribed :)

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Post by Sailorbaz » Fri 18 Apr, 2014 00:12

spurs fan in a coupe wrote:Just out of interest, what mileage is on it!
4000 miles, apparently. Clocks melted in Fire, lol

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Post by freds dad » Fri 18 Apr, 2014 10:09

Following with interest.

Will you be adding the price of items to the post as you go along?

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Post by Bi11 » Fri 18 Apr, 2014 11:19

Good luck, that's quite a project you have there!
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Post by Davejue1 » Fri 18 Apr, 2014 11:42

Will be very interesting! Buy Southern boy a few pints and it'll be done in a jiffy!! :cheers
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Post by marcusplowman » Wed 23 Apr, 2014 15:27

Holy Moly...thats going to need some amount of work...and I thought getting the inlet manifold off mine was hard work :D

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Post by Sailorbaz » Mon 16 Jun, 2014 09:05

Dad was over last week with some more parts so we managed to get loads done, mostly successful.

Starting removing the old loom, trying to photograph as much as possible for correct tracing and routing.

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The new loom waiting to go in.

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Some more of the old loom waiting to come out.

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Crash bar removed.
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Boot wiring

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Dad painting blasted and primed crash bar

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Painted crash bar fitted. Sound deadening material used from another car. New one cost £80 and would take 2 weeks to come from Germany.
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New roof fitted.
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Carpets starting to go in
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Front half of carpet is in to, along with Heater box, window wiper motor just not taken any photos yet.

I've got all lights, indicators, heater motor, window wiper motor, washer pumps and clocks going. No ABS lights now that controller has been fitted, got Airbag lights though more than likely lack of seats.

Fuel pump not working though, after draining the tank and finding a very tacky substance at the bottom of the tank and in the fine mesh filter, so now on the hunt for a fuel pump. I can get to the pump once the carpets are in though, so I'm continuing to box everything up. Will get the dash and centre console in today hopefully, and clean up the seats for fitting the PAX seat once dry. Getting close.

It won't crank at all though, get dash lights but no cranking. On reading the codes we get error 66 which after some googling is suggesting 'Anti-theft system', immobilisor? I think the key I have has lost the code, so more computer wizardry is needed soonest. Waiting to get it mostly boxed up though before getting it connected.

Right better go, sun is out over here in NI, just wish the car was done now. :squeeze:

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Post by bertiejaffa » Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:21

This truly is a brilliant thread - well done
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Post by lightning » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 08:31

An amazing restoration job.
Looking at the burnt out interior, it seemed too far gone, but it is all coming together. You will have at the end of it a pretty much new Z3 M, almost certainly the lowest mileage one in existance.

It will be a great moment when the car runs once again under it's own power.

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Post by nero » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 09:15

@Baz - when your Dad was at meets, we used to speak about this car ~ nice to see you've finally got around to sorting it :)
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Post by Gazza » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 18:34

Excellent thread :)

It's unusual to see such a thread on a modern classic, well done 8-)
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Post by Jonttt » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 20:58

Great thread, you can't fault a guy with a full set of trim tools :D
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Post by Sailorbaz » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 21:21

Weathers been very good the last few days so I've got loads done.

Interior getting in
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Couple of photos of the underneath while I was changing the fuel filter. Couldn't believe how clean the underneath of the gearbox is.

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Old centre console beside cleaned replacement

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Centre console getting there.

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Quick question though. Switches on the centre console, can someone tell me the 5 switches that go under the dials?

Heated seats x 2, roof switch, AC/Recirc, what's the last one? Wee led?

Next step is new chassis number for dashboard and then window in, bonnet on ready for coding on Monday.

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Post by Brian H » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 22:08

Last wee led will be the alarm led from the 3G EWS system.

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Post by Sailorbaz » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 22:13

My car doesn't have the BMW alarm system fitted but maybe the led is still in place for the OEM Immobiliser?

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Post by Brian H » Tue 17 Jun, 2014 22:15

Aftermarket alarms were fitted at the dealers prior to delivery to the customer, the led was an indicator to let you know the status of the alarm.

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Post by bertiejaffa » Wed 18 Jun, 2014 12:32

Brian H wrote:Last wee led will be the alarm led from the 3G EWS system.
Or hard top rear demist if you wanted to move the wiring around - ie, extend the alarm wiring to the back and put the HRW wiring at the front. I always find it odd that the HRW button is behind you and the alarm button in front. - Guess it depends if youre gonna have a hardtop for it though
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Post by Jonttt » Wed 18 Jun, 2014 21:41

///M's seem to have the roof switch randomly located either at the front or rear of the centre console, even the later S54's I've seen the button in both locations. Seems no real logic so I would just fit them where you like ;-)
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Post by Sailorbaz » Sat 21 Jun, 2014 12:11

Over the last few days, received my new fuel pump so got that fitted.
Was going to go for an uprated one since a new one is over £300 but Dad sourced one from a breaker and sent it over for me, £40.
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Changed the Oil filter since I'd heard that Oil Filters that have lay in cars for such long periods of time can break up once the car is running.
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Thought it looked ok but for £8 you can't go wrong.
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Oil looks clean enough for now.. but once running, will be changed fairly soon afterwards.
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New filter in
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Drying the wee carpet that goes behind the seats under the roof after a thorough washing.
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Windscreen Fitted, thanks to Murray Motors of Magherafelt.
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All the jigsaw behind the seats built up after confirming the roof doesn't leak
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Bonnet fitted once again, needs a clean. Pencilled in for today.
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Should get the interior finished off this afternoon, washed and ready to go to get the immobiliser and all lined up once again... I hope.

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Post by Southernboy » Sat 21 Jun, 2014 16:39

Can't help but admire your pace of work on this project. I might have thought an oil change before might provide the opportunity to get a fair sediment from the sump since the car has been standing so long.. ?
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Post by Sailorbaz » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 09:02

Had thought about changing the oil before running it but would end up having to change again after a couple of hundred miles. After looking at the oil in the filter and on the dipstick, I decided against it.

Got the car all built up over the weekend and gave it it's first clean in 13 years and I'm pleased to say it come up very well after a quick wash.

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All finished

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Now it's away to get the immobiliser sorted and hope to get a call later on today telling me it's running but I'm not holding my breath.

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Post by dw1985 » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 13:10

MAJOR respect for taking on this MASSIVE job.. and a job well done so far! looks mint, very jealous!

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Post by Cooper01 » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 15:19

I wish I had a fraction of your awesome skills!
Can you give us an update on the cost so far?
This thread has gone to instant legendary status. :cheers
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Post by BonBon » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 15:29

Amazing and impressive.
How do they imply on all the Discovery Channel Car Redos that these jobs are done in a week (including respray)
Do they have an army behind the scenes

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Post by Sailorbaz » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 15:30

Thanks everyone for your kind words.

Cost wise, at this moment no more than £2k. The biggest cost was the loom at £1280. Dash, centre console, hood, clocks and door cards were a song at £150!!! Carpets and some other bits of door trim etc £160 from a breaker here in NI. Getting it over to NI was £230 and then there's the cost for the immobiliser issue which is already at £120 for the EWS module thine coding. So yeah, around £2k as it stands. Some servicing items and filters but I can hardly include those are they're part and parcel if owning a car I suppose.

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Post by Althulas » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 21:59

That was a good read thanks for taking the time to share. Just the rest of summer for you to enjoy with it and well deserved.
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Post by Jonttt » Mon 23 Jun, 2014 22:39

Nice CSL as well :squeeze:
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Post by TaffZee » Tue 24 Jun, 2014 13:13

A car to be proud of :thumb: from me...
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Post by Sailorbaz » Thu 26 Jun, 2014 16:12

Ok, latest is:-

The genius with the computer has the car cranking over but won't start. Throwing up a chassis number mismatch error code.

The only things that aren't original from the car are the 'Body control module' (behind glovebox) and the dials/clocks. His computer is saying the chassis number from the donor car we removed the clocks from, my question is, can these be recoded?

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Post by Zed Free » Thu 26 Jun, 2014 18:23

This has been a really interesting thread, hope you get it started soon.
Looks really nice now.
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Post by Sailorbaz » Thu 26 Jun, 2014 18:42

Just remembered the wee EWS module with the blue connector behind the glovebox was changed also. Would this stop it from starting?

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Post by ajones13 » Fri 27 Jun, 2014 09:40

Hi,

I'm also from Northern Ireland.

EWS will stop it starting as this is generally coded to the cars transponder chip in the key. So if there is a mismatch it will stop it from starting and give the symptoms you've described.

Try this bypass as a test to see

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Post by lightning » Sat 28 Jun, 2014 18:17

The car looks superb.

It's the electronics that are going to "kill" modern cars as they get older, l read on the Z4 forum a guy fitted a new steering rack/motor to his Z4 and the car's ECU would not talk to it.

Nobody could sort it and he ended up refitting the old one, which was notchy, and selling the car.
I can understand immobilisers and maybe the instrument cluster (to prevent people fitting one with lower recorded mileage?)

But why on earth does the steering motor have to be "coded" to a particular car? This is just not necessary. I can only imagine it is so nobody except the manufacturer can replace it.

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Post by ARoosterinaRoadster » Sat 28 Jun, 2014 19:03

lightning wrote:The car looks superb.

It's the electronics that are going to "kill" modern cars as they get older, l read on the Z4 forum a guy fitted a new steering rack/motor to his Z4 and the car's ECU would not talk to it.

Nobody could sort it and he ended up refitting the old one, which was notchy, and selling the car.
I can understand immobilisers and maybe the instrument cluster (to prevent people fitting one with lower recorded mileage?)

But why on earth does the steering motor have to be "coded" to a particular car? This is just not necessary. I can only imagine it is so nobody except the manufacturer can replace it.
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Post by Deano1712 » Sat 28 Jun, 2014 19:59

Nice job getting the car back to (nearly) running state. If the car was mine I would delete the Ews, and problem is sorted. Google search EWS 2 delete and you will see how to do it.

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Post by bertiejaffa » Sat 28 Jun, 2014 20:07

Deano1712 wrote:Nice job getting the car back to (nearly) running state. If the car was mine I would delete the Ews, and problem is sorted. Google search EWS 2 delete and you will see how to do it.
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Post by ARoosterinaRoadster » Sat 28 Jun, 2014 20:23

Hi Sailorbaz. This is truly a monumental achievement and it is this kind of dedication (or desperation) that could have saved many an all to easy insurance right-off - cop-out.
I am particularly interested in the 'All Over' soap-suds treatment and especially as like mine it has the Mohair Hood. I have just bought a Topaz Blue hardtop complete with fittings and trolley etc etc from a forum member - Kevin (kjayf) as a belt and braces job for winter protection of the Mohair Hood from algae and general winter muck and rubbish.
I assume that the soap does not affect the proofing on the hood!!! or is cleaning and renovating the Mohair Hood part of the master plan?
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Post by Sailorbaz » Thu 03 Jul, 2014 18:04

Sorry I'm only posting again now, coming offshore has been a bit busy the last week and of course I've had nothing to really write about since leaving the car off.

I called today and it appears since I've come offshore he's put his attention to other car, which to be honest I don't mind so much since I'm away for 5 weeks. I would like him to have it running for me coming home, don't want to land home and still be waiting for parts. He's going to start at it again tomorrow.

I have a module under the steering column and one marked EWS behind the glovebox, does this sound correct?

The white one under the steering column was replaced with a new one that got us to the cranking over stage but still not starting. The one behind the glovebox (blue connector) was replaced with a salvaged unit but hasn't been recoded.

Am I going to have to buy a new module from BMW and have my man code it to the car?

Regarding the washing/foaming:-
The roof was a replacement and had sat in the bottom of a box van for 12 years so wasn't bothered about the protective coating etc, it was filthy and just wanted it cleaned. It come up beautifully and still has it's waxy appearance when wet or showered down with the hose. The whole car actually come up very well, well chuffed.

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  Z3 roadster 2.0
Location: Lancashire

Re: New Project - 1998 M Roadster

Post by ARoosterinaRoadster » Thu 03 Jul, 2014 20:03

Hi Sailorbaz. I decided to bite the bullet and went down to a local'ish BP Petrol Station where they have several drive-in bay options with overhead pipework and a pay machine for DIY cleaning.
I actually used the soapy brush option over the whole car followed by a rinse off and it appears that there are no ills with the Mohair Hood.
Happiness is a well kept Z3 and preferably running with the hood down - weather permitting.

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