hi all
thinking of buying a z3 3.0l
are these the wide body versions
thanks
3.0l z3 widebody or not
Re: 3.0l z3 widebody or not
Yes!
Oh and welcome
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Alasdair
Oh and welcome
Tell us more about you / what you are after...
Alasdair
Re: 3.0l z3 widebody or not
The 3.0 has the facelift (should be asslift) body,
the earlier 2.8 also has the widebody.
the earlier 2.8 also has the widebody.
Gazza
"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you"
Z3 S54 M roadster
, BMW Z1, BMW M3 CSL, Z4M Coupe
"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you"
Z3 S54 M roadster
, BMW Z1, BMW M3 CSL, Z4M Coupe
Re: 3.0l z3 widebody or not
It is easier to say only the 1.8/1.9s 1996 to 04/1999 were "narrow" body. Everything else has the widerbody, pre or post facelift.
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The M roadster is the only one to get. ANything else is underpowered IMO. I recently purchased the M version with the 3.2l S52 engine and it goes...
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hi for whats its worth the 2.8 is a lovely engine and has enough grunt and decent economy if you choose to drive with a lighter foot had 40mpg on a run
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It must be fantastic unleashing all the power off the lights when you have a highway speed limit of 50mph!!! How can it be said that a 2.8/3.0 is underpowered. How ridiculous.nachos23 wrote:The M roadster is the only one to get. ANything else is underpowered IMO. I recently purchased the M version with the 3.2l S52 engine and it goes...
"Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional!"
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I've not chastised anyone for ///M-baiting for quite some time, but I'm afraid that made me chuckle.nachos23 wrote:The M roadster is the only one to get. ANything else is underpowered IMO. I recently purchased the M version with the 3.2l S52 engine and it goes...
Here are the relevant power figures:
2.8 - 193 BHP
3.0 - 231 BHP
S52 - 250 BHP
S50 - 321 BHP
S54 - 325 BHP
I'd be surprised if you could even feel the difference of 20 BHP over the 3.0 litre. The S50 and S54 are a completely different ball game.
Now, where were we? Ah, yes, the 3.0 is a facelift car, so it has the wider rear end, but with "hips" rather than the smooth curves of either the ///M or the pre-facelift 2.8.
Cheers R.
Arctic Silver '99 Z3 1.9 & Black '59 Frogeye 1275cc
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Only the M version comes with the complete e36 M drive train (I have a 2000 Z3 M roadster convertible) Posi rear end. S52 engine... Keep in mind Ilive in Canada and highway speed limits are 60mph with avg speed being closer to 80 mph. I love the posi rear end and responsiveness of the 3.2L engine... If I want to go fast, i'll take my 540hp modded e90 335 Xi out.
I've started tuning the 3.2L and about to start my project to replace the S52 intake with that off a 2.5l M50 engine. Just finished picking up the remaining pieces yesterday. Planning a turbo or supercharger for it's future as well... Looking to get it up around 350-400 hp when done. 240hp stock (NA S52 engine). Looking for x-brace to strengthen the chassis before adding the extra hp. Also front and rear strut braces as well. Will likely need to do rear end chassis reinforcement as well to support the extra HP.
Finally, going to lower using H&R coilovers and upgrading the brakes and calipers as well (probably next winter). I'll be selling the stock 17" wheels shortly (with Advan tires) as I'm moving to 18"wheels in the spring. Car coming off the road in about a month for the winter, so starting all the projects once it's off the road.
Both cars are tracked, so the extra HP and posi rearend are definitely a benefit.
I've started tuning the 3.2L and about to start my project to replace the S52 intake with that off a 2.5l M50 engine. Just finished picking up the remaining pieces yesterday. Planning a turbo or supercharger for it's future as well... Looking to get it up around 350-400 hp when done. 240hp stock (NA S52 engine). Looking for x-brace to strengthen the chassis before adding the extra hp. Also front and rear strut braces as well. Will likely need to do rear end chassis reinforcement as well to support the extra HP.
Finally, going to lower using H&R coilovers and upgrading the brakes and calipers as well (probably next winter). I'll be selling the stock 17" wheels shortly (with Advan tires) as I'm moving to 18"wheels in the spring. Car coming off the road in about a month for the winter, so starting all the projects once it's off the road.
Both cars are tracked, so the extra HP and posi rearend are definitely a benefit.
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I've got a underpowered 3.0 and was overtaken yesterday be a cyclist and a 38 tonne lorry so it up for sale I'm getting an ///M !!!
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Now that's a very different statement! Having driven an S54 in anger, yes, the ///M cars do feel a lot more planted on the road. The S52 was made for the US market to fit in with silly emissions regulations and performance is not comparable with the S50/S54. It sounds like your car will be a little up on either of those when you are finished. Or you could go the whole hog and drop an LS3 in it like Deano on here!nachos23 wrote:Only the M version comes with the complete e36 M drive train (I have a 2000 Z3 M roadster convertible) Posi rear end. S52 engine... Keep in mind Ilive in Canada and highway speed limits are 60mph with avg speed being closer to 80 mph. I love the posi rear end and responsiveness of the 3.2L engine... If I want to go fast, i'll take my 540hp modded e90 335 Xi out.
I've started tuning the 3.2L and about to start my project to replace the S52 intake with that off a 2.5l M50 engine. Just finished picking up the remaining pieces yesterday. Planning a turbo or supercharger for it's future as well... Looking to get it up around 350-400 hp when done. 240hp stock (NA S52 engine). Looking for x-brace to strengthen the chassis before adding the extra hp. Also front and rear strut braces as well. Will likely need to do rear end chassis reinforcement as well to support the extra HP.
Finally, going to lower using H&R coilovers and upgrading the brakes and calipers as well (probably next winter). I'll be selling the stock 17" wheels shortly (with Advan tires) as I'm moving to 18"wheels in the spring. Car coming off the road in about a month for the winter, so starting all the projects once it's off the road.
Both cars are tracked, so the extra HP and posi rearend are definitely a benefit.
The Sport does have M-tech suspension, so it should feel better, but I've not driven a Sport hard.
Cheers R.
Arctic Silver '99 Z3 1.9 & Black '59 Frogeye 1275cc
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Dual vanos 2,8 and the 3.0 are very quick for their time and not far off the M. With the M being heavier, a good 3.0 isn't that far off power to weight wise.
I had a 1999 2.8 dual vanos, a great engine, smooth and torquey but also not bad at the top end (compared with the earlier 2.8)
I had a 1999 2.8 dual vanos, a great engine, smooth and torquey but also not bad at the top end (compared with the earlier 2.8)
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Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!Woody1000 wrote:I've got a underpowered 3.0 and was overtaken yesterday be a cyclist and a 38 tonne lorry so it up for sale I'm getting an ///M !!!
"Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional!"
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the 3.0l will leave any z3M in the dust...
something to do with the drivers I believe
more seriously, while the z3M is no doubt a brilliant car, any car is about balancing all the components and as many on here will confirm - there is a lot of fun from the 1.9 / 2.2 / etc. - because it comes together as a balanced car
Ultimately extra power only gives a faster straight line performance unless the rest is also in balance - and the more you deviate from the straight the bigger a part the driver plays...
I am sure that there will be drivers on here in a 2.2 / 2.8 who will beat me across country even though I am in a 3.0l - skill will make a big difference...
ultimately I am not aware of any Z3 model which is dreadful!
Alasdair
something to do with the drivers I believe
more seriously, while the z3M is no doubt a brilliant car, any car is about balancing all the components and as many on here will confirm - there is a lot of fun from the 1.9 / 2.2 / etc. - because it comes together as a balanced car
Ultimately extra power only gives a faster straight line performance unless the rest is also in balance - and the more you deviate from the straight the bigger a part the driver plays...
I am sure that there will be drivers on here in a 2.2 / 2.8 who will beat me across country even though I am in a 3.0l - skill will make a big difference...
ultimately I am not aware of any Z3 model which is dreadful!
Alasdair
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3.0 with a remap would be very nice
Gazza
"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you"
Z3 S54 M roadster, BMW Z1, BMW M3 CSL, Z4M Coupe
"Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you take the wall with you"
Z3 S54 M roadster
, BMW Z1, BMW M3 CSL, Z4M CoupeRe: 3.0l z3 widebody or not
Everything to do with the drivers and yes I feel slighted that our S52's are only 240hp vs the UK version which has 290hp stock. Try to get a UK version here is quite difficult. They are around, but very expensive if you can find one. Regarding balance; it's everything. I laugh when I See C63's smoking their tires as it obviously shows how little downforce they posess. There is a Z3M near my place running 540hp which should be insane but he's done all the associated work and it's planted and goes like stink. I could just grab a Z4 N54 and tune it to over 500hp like my e90, but I love the roadster look and feel of the Z3; much more stylish....
