Future Classic?

yme402 · Post by **yme402** » Sat 28 Nov, 2015 10:05

First of all, many thanks for accepting me to this excellent forum. I am new to the Z3 fraternity having just purchased this week a 2.2 Sport in Estoril Blue (2002 MY). Photos and details to follow......!

Having read up and researched the Z3, few cars seem to match it in polarising opinion on wheather or not it will be a future classic. M models aside, I would be interested in peoples comments. From a personal perspective, I think the later wide bodied ones with the right wheel/colour combination are absolutely stunning and and knock spots off the 'Bangled' Z4. With the straight 6 engine, it has all the ingredients in my opinion of being sought after in the coming years. On a separate subject, I am an automotive engine oil technologist for a major oil producer and am going to be running a few trials on the oil consumption issue that my model has. I have a couple of experiments up my sleeve that I am going to try out, and will keep you all posted on my findings.

Del · Post by **Del** » Sat 28 Nov, 2015 10:47

Hi & welcome - sounds like a nice, late Z3 in a very nice colour.

It seems to take around 40-years for a mass produced car to become a future classic - but who knows. The Z3 has certainly aged well as do many two seater convertibles.

Good luck with the engine oil experiment, a lot of perfectly good M54 engines seem to use a bit of oil - I've read it was something to do with some low-friction piston rings they used on that engine?

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Sat 28 Nov, 2015 11:54

Estoril blue is beautiful, well done.

I think the Z3's are now considered to be a modern classic, there seem to be some dealers asking big money for them nowadays, not sure if many have actually been sold for 10k though, anyone?

I've just invested in a low mileage 2.2 that's now stored in my garage, I'm hoping it'll rise 10% per year.

Not too worried if it doesn't, at least I can enjoy it on a nice summers day.

I'm in the market for another one if anyones selling, got to be low mileage, low owners, good history.

deni2s · Post by **deni2s** » Sat 28 Nov, 2015 14:50

I have noticed that people preffer more widebody prefacelift to the later facelifted model (i know a few narrow body z3 owners who modified their cars with parts from widebody prefacelift roadsters). So after M the highest demand might be for 2.8 prefacelift or 3.0 facelift models.

I don't think a roadster will rise in price so much to cover it's storage costs - in this case m coupe has better potential. But probably z3 roadsters will get the same status as now is old Datsun z240 - old, stylish, cool looking car which is not for everyone but nice to look at and many would like to have as project car.

pingu · Post by **pingu** » Sat 28 Nov, 2015 19:55

To expect 10% after expenses is optimistic. I don't think the standard car is any more a future classic than any other weekend car.

There are over 10000 potential classic Z3s out there in the UK alone. Unless yours is EXACTLY what the investment market wants, you are better off with a traditional investment.

Do any of us know what the market will want from a car that is not rare?

Is it low mileage? Is it showroom condition? Is it one owner? Is it unregistered? Is it pedigree? Is it BMWFSH - never late? Is independent servicing going to be acceptable? Is evidence of continuous tax and MOT essential? Would any MOT failures or advisories count against the investment?

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Sat 28 Nov, 2015 20:20

pingu wrote:To expect 10% after expenses is optimistic. I don't think the standard car is any more a future classic than any other weekend car.

There are over 10000 potential classic Z3s out there in the UK alone. Unless yours is EXACTLY what the investment market wants, you are better off with a traditional investment.

Do any of us know what the market will want from a car that is not rare?

Is it low mileage? Is it showroom condition? Is it one owner? Is it unregistered? Is it pedigree? Is it BMWFSH - never late? Is independent servicing going to be acceptable? Is evidence of continuous tax and MOT essential? Would any MOT failures or advisories count against the investment?

Impala brown, 36,000 miles, been garaged most of it's life, almost perfect condition bar a mark on the rear bumper which I'm going to get done. No sagging on the drivers seat which most seem to have.
The rarity of the colour appealed to me, even though Estoril blue is my favourite.

I'm guessing that this car will be worth near 10k in 5 years time, of course I might be wrong, but I'm willing to chance it, and I'm not bothered if it doesn't appreciate.

£5000 in the bank earns me £150 a year at the moment, not really worth having, I'm certain the Z3 will earn more and it's a nice toy to have in the garage.

So many modern classics are creeping up in value now, in fact just about any car that's 20 years old with ultra low mileage and in near concours condition are demanding premium prices. Just look at what Ford escort Xr3i's are making nowadays if they're concourse, they weren't exactly un common in the day although they're 30 years old now.

I agree Z3's are not that rare, but in 2020 I think concourse examples with sub 40k will be, and it's such a nice classic shape I'm sure they'll be in demand.

Just my opinion of course, but that's what forums are about.

deni2s · Post by **deni2s** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 11:08

To get the most value of your car, you need to drive it a lot, count the smiles per mile, get emotions and just enjoy the ride and life.

As someone said, not driving your car to keep it's mileage low to save the car's value is the same as not sleeping with your girlfriend so that she has more value for her next boyfriend. I think that is true unless you have another car you can have even more fun with.

I got my first z3 around 6 years ago. I paid a lot for it and I invested even more. It was my daily driver in the season. There aren't many things I can tell I got so many friends, smiles and good emotions from them as from using my z3. Probably a few trips. But they are short and not so often as I can drive my z3.

peter2b · Post by **peter2b** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 13:53

deni2s wrote:To get the most value of your car, you need to drive it a lot, count the smiles per mile, get emotions and just enjoy the ride and life.

As someone said, not driving your car to keep it's mileage low to save the car's value is the same as not sleeping with your girlfriend so that she has more value for her next boyfriend. I think that is true unless you have another car you can have even more fun with.

I got my first z3 around 6 years ago. I paid a lot for it and I invested even more. It was my daily driver in the season. There aren't many things I can tell I got so many friends, smiles and good emotions from them as from using my z3. Probably a few trips. But they are short and not so often as I can drive my z3.

that's what girl fiends are for having fun with , swmbo doesn't mind me going out with Jasmine (my zed) see even enjoys coming with me

I buy her a few goodies now and again
peter2b

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 16:00

Z3 2.2 worth £10,000 in five years? You'll be lucky!

But who knows.....look at the way old mass produced cars like the Golf GTi, 205 GTi, Renault 5 GT Turbo etc have shot up. However they are rare with only a few dozen remaining in some cases. There are thousands of Z3's out there and they are not being scrapped in any great numbers as they don't corrode away like the cars l mentioned.

As the Z3 is so plentiful l think the only version that might, and l stress might, appreciate is the 3.0 and then only the mint ones. I am not holding my breath though.

Part of me hopes you are right and the other part is fed up with everything desirable getting out of reach price wise.

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 16:41

lightning wrote:Z3 2.2 worth £10,000 in five years? You'll be lucky!

There are thousands of Z3's out there and they are not being scrapped in any great numbers as they don't corrode away like the cars l mentioned.

As the Z3 is so plentiful l think the only version that might, and l stress might, appreciate is the 3.0 and then only the mint ones. I am not holding my breath though.

Part of me hopes you are right and the other part is fed up with everything desirable getting out of reach price wise.

Agree there are probably too many of them, which I why I say I'm hoping/guessing it'll be worth that in years to come.

I think the 3.0 will certainly climb in price, if you don't need the cash then leave it sorned in the garage like I have mine.

I only bought the 2.2 cc Impala one because the rarity of the colour and the fact it had been garaged so had zero corrosion under the bonnet. I was only looking at 3.0's originally.

There are already signs that they will rise, look on auto trader, some dealers are asking up to £7000 for 2,2's and up to £10,000 for 3.0's..

Now I know they may not actually sell for that price, but the fact dealers are trying must mean something.

So imagine in five years time, mint examples like yours and mine will be much fewer.

I don't think the 1.9's will rise so much, but only my opinion of course, my feelings are that BMW should never have put the 1.9cc engine in the Z3 (flameproof vest now on) only my opinion..

So maybe they will rise, maybe they won't, but I'd rather have a pretty car in the garage that I can use on a sunny day taking a risk it may or may not appreciate rather than money in the bank earning a pittance of 3%.

yme402 · Post by **yme402** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 16:43

I agree in that M models aside, regular Z3s are unlikely to rocket up in price. In saying that, if one is bought at the right money and unmolested, it is unlikely to depreciate much further now which makes for some cheap motoring.

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Sun 29 Nov, 2015 20:05

Yes l think they have pretty much bottomed out pricewise.

What classic sports car can you buy in mint condition for £6,000 with anything like the performance of a Z3 3.0?
The way l look at it, you won't lose any money so in that way you are better off, as long as you use the car.
If you bought say an MX5 or a Z4 you'd lose £10,000+ in five years on resale.

I've done the same with my work transport. After two new vans (and depreciation of £20,000 despite looking after them) l bought a used 2005 Defender.
Values are stable on these, and despite putting 12,000 miles a year on it, the thing is currently worth more than l paid for it.
Of course l've looked after it, but that's not hard to do and l look after all my cars anyway.

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 09:24

yme402 · Post by **yme402** » Mon 30 Nov, 2015 16:05

Smart move lighting on the van front. What is a Transit worth after 5 years...? Very little!
The Landy as you rightly say, will not alter in value one bit if maintained correctly. The z3 I see in a similar light. Buy a good one, look after it and you will have a superb little roadster that is old enough not to be burdened with electronics that will render it useless like modern cars, but it is also recent enough to have good reliability, driving dynamics and safety features. I think many cars of this late 90s/early 2000s era fall into this category and will be looked back upon as bargains

malcolm manser · Post by **malcolm manser** » Thu 10 Dec, 2015 20:52

Agree with the comments re 3.0 examples. Missed a beauty in Feb this year with just 28 k on clock, thought it was too expensive. Not so sure now ! There is a DVLA website, "How many are left", which shows that later, 3.0 litre models are becoming very hard to find. M Coupes are heading North of £30k, Roadsters, £15-20 k, surely the 231 bhp is almost as appealing, and a lot cheaper to own and run.

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Thu 10 Dec, 2015 21:00

malcolm manser wrote:Agree with the comments re 3.0 examples. Missed a beauty in Feb this year with just 28 k on clock, thought it was too expensive. Not so sure now ! There is a DVLA website, "How many are left", which shows that later, 3.0 litre models are becoming very hard to find. M Coupes are heading North of £30k, Roadsters, £15-20 k, surely the 231 bhp is almost as appealing, and a lot cheaper to own and run.

How much was that 3.0 with 28k on the clock?

I only ask as I'm looking for a low mileage one myself at the moment.

Tim

beerbelly · Post by **beerbelly** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 06:53

I only bought the 2.2 cc Impala one because the rarity of the colour and the fact it had been garaged so had zero corrosion under the bonnet. I was only looking at 3.0's originally.

have you not wondered why impala brown is so rare. and the original owner never had the balls to drive it in public (hence the low mileage)
maybe tastes will change in years to come

oh and our 2.8 uses no oil at all between services I wasn't aware they had a reputation for doing so

Mike Fishwick · Post by **Mike Fishwick** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 08:55

The N54 engine - the 2.2 and 3 litre models - are the engines which can often burn oil steadily. Some dealers claim that it is 'designed' to burn oil, as though it is a sign of a thoroughbred sports car!

A lot of these engines were filled with synthetic oil by the dealers, which extends the running-in period a lot, and people who keep their car in a garage most of the time, and only drive it gently are not going to improve matters.

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 10:46

beerbelly wrote:
have you not wondered why impala brown is so rare. and the original owner never had the balls to drive it in public (hence the low mileage)
maybe tastes will change in years to come

oh and our 2.8 uses no oil at all between services I wasn't aware they had a reputation for doing so

Trying to make me feel bad about my purchase?

Southernboy · Post by **Southernboy** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 12:08

The rarity of the Impala brown cars is to their credit...they are a matter of taste unlike some of the more ubiquitous colours which cater for the less discerning masses.....

Gazza · Post by **Gazza** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 18:58

pingu wrote:To expect 10% after expenses is optimistic. I don't think the standard car is any more a future classic than any other weekend car.

There are over 10000 potential classic Z3s out there in the UK alone. Unless yours is EXACTLY what the investment market wants, you are better off with a traditional investment.

Do any of us know what the market will want from a car that is not rare?

Is it low mileage? Is it showroom condition? Is it one owner? Is it unregistered? Is it pedigree? Is it BMWFSH - never late? Is independent servicing going to be acceptable? Is evidence of continuous tax and MOT essential? Would any MOT failures or advisories count against the investment?

I disagree, over 1 million Classic Mustangs produced between 1964 and 1973 and there is a market for all of those that still exist.

Prices are rising daily on Mustangs

8000 BMW Z1's produced and prices are rising

peter2b · Post by **peter2b** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 22:07

just seen on ebay classic car site a 1999 z3m yellow for 15000.00 +
Peter2b

beerbelly · Post by **beerbelly** » Fri 11 Dec, 2015 23:14

tfp wrote:
beerbelly wrote:
have you not wondered why impala brown is so rare. and the original owner never had the balls to drive it in public (hence the low mileage)
maybe tastes will change in years to come

oh and our 2.8 uses no oil at all between services I wasn't aware they had a reputation for doing so
Trying to make me feel bad about my purchase?

I do apologies I'm not trying to make you feel bad .you are obviously very proud of your brown cars rarity value. I am sure brown cars will come back into fashion and become sought after and your investment will produce a good return .
in fact I'm so pleased we bought our z3 in the first place I never even realised I had an investment we just bought it to have fun with and we have . we have toured Italy, France , the highlands of Scotland have many fond memories of weekends away camping ect ect .if I had realised I was doing this in such a precious appreciating classic car I might not have enjoyed every mile as much id have been to paranoid I might have de valued it . lighten up man its just an old car if I get half the £6k we paid 7 years ago ill be over the moon its been a blast

Gazza · Post by **Gazza** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 09:58

I like Impala, it's a great colour.

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 11:56

beerbelly wrote:
tfp wrote:
beerbelly wrote:
have you not wondered why impala brown is so rare. and the original owner never had the balls to drive it in public (hence the low mileage)
maybe tastes will change in years to come

oh and our 2.8 uses no oil at all between services I wasn't aware they had a reputation for doing so
Trying to make me feel bad about my purchase?
I do apologies I'm not trying to make you feel bad .you are obviously very proud of your brown cars rarity value. I am sure brown cars will come back into fashion and become sought after and your investment will produce a good return .
in fact I'm so pleased we bought our z3 in the first place I never even realised I had an investment we just bought it to have fun with and we have . we have toured Italy, France , the highlands of Scotland have many fond memories of weekends away camping ect ect .if I had realised I was doing this in such a precious appreciating classic car I might not have enjoyed every mile as much id have been to paranoid I might have de valued it . lighten up man its just an old car if I get half the £6k we paid 7 years ago ill be over the moon its been a blast

One of the dealers I work for laughed when he saw it, nickname for the car is now "the T..d"

Can't spell it out on an open forum but I'm sure people will work it out, a little clue, doesn't smell very nice.

My first Z3 was an atlanta blue 2.8 which I sold back in 2007. I thought back then they had levelled out in value, but I was wrong, they did drop some more. Nice to see they are now creeping back up.

Just looked on auto trader this morning, there are some highly priced ones on there, I would love to know if they actually sell for these prices.

Del · Post by **Del** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 12:10

Colours come and go with fashion. I remember metallic gold/brown being popular on Mk3 Cortinas and Mk1 Escorts. Bright lime green

was popular on Porsche - which all now seem to be a conservative shade of metallic grey/silver. Finally white used to be popular, then went out of fashion for years and is now fashionable again.

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 12:24

Del wrote:Colours come and go with fashion. I remember metallic gold/brown being popular on Mk3 Cortinas and Mk1 Escorts. Bright lime green was popular on Porsche - which all now seem to be a conservative shade of metallic grey/silver. Finally white used to be popular, then went out of fashion for years and is now fashionable again.

White cars

10 or so years ago most dealers just wouldn't buy them.

Nowadays anything sporty or luxury in white are commanding a premium, seen a few go at auction for well over book money, especially if the cars have a black pan roof.

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 12:37

Dealers advertise cars like the Z3 at high prices to try and talk the price up.

You will see that they say things in the advert like "appreciating classic" and "becoming sought after"
If somebody buys one at the high price, (say £10,000) that model of car will suddenly be "worth £10,000" and that's one of the ways the value goes up.

malcolm manser · Post by **malcolm manser** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 14:42

The 28k 3.0 was for sale in Oswestry at £8950, I offered £8k which which I retracted after finding a discrepancy on an RAC vehicle history check, which subsequently turned out to be perfectly ok. By the time I came back to the trader, he had sold it for the full asking price ! The car was in absolutely superb condition and I should have bought it on just that. Finally found an x-plated automatic with a genuine but neglected 27k , bought privately for £6k, now brought up to scratch with a full inspection 2, fluids and autobox oil change, plus new rear screen from BMW, total cost still under £7k. There are several dealers advertising low mileage 2.2,s for over £8k right now. My advice would be to be very patient, there are low mileage cars out there, but 3litre ones are only about 2% of all those advertised.

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 14:54

I am saying nothing!!

Boosh · Post by **Boosh** » Sat 12 Dec, 2015 16:36

lightning wrote:I am saying nothing!!

billy1066 · Post by **billy1066** » Mon 14 Dec, 2015 20:33

Just seen this, is it a good price??

Low mileage 3.0l auto

http://m.wimbledoncarriage.co.uk/Stock/Details/5245390

gookah · Post by **gookah** » Mon 14 Dec, 2015 21:38

billy1066 wrote:Just seen this, is it a good price??

Low mileage 3.0l auto

http://m.wimbledoncarriage.co.uk/Stock/Details/5245390

beware of this as the mileage 'tamper dot' is showing under the 'mls' on the display.
That is the indication that something is not correct with the mileage showing on the speedometer, compared to the mileage stored in the DME unit.
Could be different speedo. DME, or worse, tampered with.

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Mon 14 Dec, 2015 22:17

I didn't know about the "tamper dot" in the display. You'd have to go through the service and MOT history to find out why it has happened. It is listed as having a full history. Maybe talk to the servicing dealer?

I like that front grille though.

Can you still buy them, and how much do they cost? The grille that is.

Boosh · Post by **Boosh** » Mon 14 Dec, 2015 22:42

Also, though it might just be my phone's screen, but on a couple of pics, the colour of the driver's side door doesn't seem to be matching the front and rear wings'...
In any case, there is a few threads on this forum that list what to watch out for when looking at buying a Z3. Findings will either make you want to walk, or to negotiate.
Whichever one you choose, good luck with your search,

Boosh.

gookah · Post by **gookah** » Mon 14 Dec, 2015 23:36

lightning wrote:I didn't know about the "tamper dot" in the display. You'd have to go through the service and MOT history to find out why it has happened. It is listed as having a full history. Maybe talk to the servicing dealer?

I like that front grille though.

Can you still buy them, and how much do they cost? The grille that is.

Not a Schnitzer grille, zunsport with a Schnitzer badge
Zunsport grilles:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZunSport-BMW- ... Swcu5UPk8M

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZunSport-BMW- ... SwF1dUPlX5

widely available on eBay.

Gazza · Post by **Gazza** » Tue 15 Dec, 2015 18:04

Strange how the MoT check only goes back a few years ????

Check the MOT history of a vehicle
Registration number: RX02VCK

Mileage readings are currently only available for MOTs done from 1 August 2011.
Vehicle make BMW
Vehicle model Z3
Date first used 19 April 2002
Fuel type Petrol
Colour Blue

MOT history of this vehicle
Test date 14 May 2015 Expiry date 13 May 2016
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 42,091 miles
MOT test number 5572 2433 5190
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)
n/s front & n/s rear tyres worn on inner edge

Test date 29 April 2014 Expiry date 6 May 2015
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 40,015 miles
MOT test number 2996 0951 4197
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)

Test date 7 May 2013 Expiry date 6 May 2014
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 34,857 miles
MOT test number 2675 7712 3480

peter2b · Post by **peter2b** » Tue 15 Dec, 2015 18:49

Gazza wrote:Strange how the MoT check only goes back a few years ????

Check the MOT history of a vehicle
Registration number: RX02VCK

Mileage readings are currently only available for MOTs done from 1 August 2011.
Vehicle make BMW
Vehicle model Z3
Date first used 19 April 2002
Fuel type Petrol
Colour Blue

MOT history of this vehicle
Test date 14 May 2015 Expiry date 13 May 2016
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 42,091 miles
MOT test number 5572 2433 5190
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Suspension arm rubber bush deteriorated but not resulting in excessive movement (2.4.G.2)
n/s front & n/s rear tyres worn on inner edge

Test date 29 April 2014 Expiry date 6 May 2015
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 40,015 miles
MOT test number 2996 0951 4197
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)

Test date 7 May 2013 Expiry date 6 May 2014
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 34,857 miles
MOT test number 2675 7712 3480

don't do many miles do you, funny thing is I had advisories on another car (ford) on the first it had 3 , didn't do anything about them next year 4 different advisories same again fixed 2 (brakes) next clear pass same garage same tester
peter2b

Gazza · Post by **Gazza** » Tue 15 Dec, 2015 20:16

Not my car, see this

billy1066 wrote:Just seen this, is it a good price??

Low mileage 3.0l auto

http://m.wimbledoncarriage.co.uk/Stock/Details/5245390

gookah wrote:
billy1066 wrote:Just seen this, is it a good price??

Low mileage 3.0l auto

http://m.wimbledoncarriage.co.uk/Stock/Details/5245390

beware of this as the mileage 'tamper dot' is showing under the 'mls' on the display.
That is the indication that something is not correct with the mileage showing on the speedometer, compared to the mileage stored in the DME unit.
Could be different speedo. DME, or worse, tampered with.

tfp · Post by **tfp** » Tue 15 Dec, 2015 20:45

I think DVLA are updating the site at the moment,

Some cars are only showing the current Mot details, most others are not showing mileage info before 2011.

The site did change a few months ago, for the better because you used to need the doc ref number to do the check, now all you need is the reg number and the make.

It's great as you can now check these details before even calling about the car. One used to have to ask the seller for the doc ref number to do the check and some sellers would get the hump because they felt you were dis trusting them before even meeting them.

My answer was always "if I'm going to drive 200 miles to see your car I want to do this simple check as I've had many too many wasted trips in the past"

Hopefully in the coming months it'll all be done and showing Mot mileages right back to 2006.

That 3.0 at Wimbledon carriage co. does look very nice and they've been around for donkeys years selling very nice cars, I'm sure they would't sell anything with a dubious history.

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Thu 17 Dec, 2015 14:29

billy1066 wrote:Just seen this, is it a good price??

Low mileage 3.0l auto

http://m.wimbledoncarriage.co.uk/Stock/Details/5245390

I know l will get a pasting for this, but can l ask, why you have not looked at my car, if you are looking at this one, when mine is a similar price, similar colour, and mileage, and does not have the mileage concern, or any advisories on the MOT's. Is there a hardtop with it (which mine has)

Is it because you are wanting an automatic?

billy1066 · Post by **billy1066** » Sun 20 Dec, 2015 14:54

Sorry lightning I was just browsing t'internet, found this ad and thought it may interest someone. I'll be sticking with my 2.8 manual for a while longer.
Incidentally, I have bought previously from Wimbledon carriage and can vouch for their genuineness and honesty!

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Sun 20 Dec, 2015 21:28

Ah l thought it might be that, after l noticed you already have a 2.8.

I had a 2.8 a few years ago. They are both great cars.