Rear wings. Different sizes?

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Cheeseandbeans
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Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Cheeseandbeans » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 10:52

I have my Zed in the garage at the moment to have the sills repaired so while it's in I thought I'd put my smoked rear light clusters on it. Came to fit them yesterday to find they are too short for this car?

Now they came off a 1997 1.9 and I'm fitting them to a another 1997 1.9 but they are too small. Where they don't fit is where the rear wing meets the light, there's a massive gap? On the other Zed they came off they fit perfectly. I have also took the wings off the other car and was wondering are the wings different sizes on these cars? I don't believe any of them are wide bodies but I may be wrong I suppose?

Any advice appreciated

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Robert T » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 11:50

To the best of my knowledge, there are only two sizes of rear cluster - pre-facelift and facelift - and they are different shapes. The pre-facelift is the same for both narrowbody and widebody. The smoked ones will not be OEM, unless they have simply been painted as such - if they are home-smoked, check the part numbers.

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Del » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 12:58

Two 1997 1.9s should have identical wings

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Cheeseandbeans » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 13:39

Here's a picture of lights fitted on both cars. As I say the smoked lights moved onto the P reg car don't fit? Can't figure it out.

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Cheeseandbeans » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 13:46

Looking at those photos now, I'm wondering if the rear wings on the car in the bottom picture are possibly off a facelift model?

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Del » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 16:35

The facelift rear lights are a completely different shape with a "stepped" edge on their inner side. If the lights in question are "straight" on their inner side I would suspect they are from a pre-facelift wide-body (6 cylinder car) - some owners of pre-facelift 1.9 cars carry out this modification at the rear i.e. they fit wide-body rear wings and sill covers :shrug

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by mrscalex » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 17:38

Have you tried putting the P reg lights in the other car? What does that look like? Presumably too big?

Can you show a photo of the gap itself? Not too sure what you're looking at is quite what the rest of us trying to help have in our minds.
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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by BladeRunner919 » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 18:31

mrscalex wrote: Can you show a photo of the gap itself? Not too sure what you're looking at is quite what the rest of us trying to help have in our minds.
Yes, I'm struggling to see a fundamental difference between the pictures. My 'clear' rear lights are aftermarket, and they don't fit quite as nicely as the oem lights, but that's pretty normal for aftermarket stuff.

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by c_w » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 20:07

Yea, a photo of the light and the gap would be helpful! Not two completely different angled photos :rtm:

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by mrscalex » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 20:59

Neither car looks like the rear bumper has been aligned/secured properly - specially the target car. That might be the root of the problem if the lights are otherwise physically the same size - and they must surely be unless aftermarket and a couple of mm different. The insertion/removal of the lamp unit could be opening up a gap.
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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by bertiejaffa » Sat 11 Jun, 2016 23:51

That wheel arch on the lower car is definitely not the right wing for that car.
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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Southernboy » Sun 12 Jun, 2016 07:19

The top pic appears to be wide body, whilst the bottom pic seems to be the narrow body... maybe it's just the lighting in the photographs ??
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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Parki » Sun 12 Jun, 2016 09:52

Just checked on my P reg 1.9 - there is a small flare over wheel arch easily missed in wrong light so bottom wing seems right for 97 model cant tell in top picture.

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Southernboy » Sun 12 Jun, 2016 10:17

The top pic appears to be a narrow body whereas the lower pic appears to be a wide body. The lower pic seems to show a small "flare" over the wheel which isn't apparent in the top pic.
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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by therealdb1 » Sun 12 Jun, 2016 12:42

If the OP has access to both cars he could simply take a photo from directly behind each car (even better in the same picture) and the difference would be immediately apparent without considering lighting angles, damage or whether or not the bumper is correctly attached.

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Re: Rear wings. Different sizes?

Post by Cheeseandbeans » Sun 12 Jun, 2016 13:23

Cheers for the responses guys. I'll get in the garage next week and take a picture of both sets of lights and the gap when the smoked ones are fitted. Can't take a picture of the top car from the rear now as I've stripped all the panels off it :?

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