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Cheeseandbeans
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Front bumper marker lights.

Post by Cheeseandbeans » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 20:30

Does anyone know if the wiring is there on a pre facelift z3 for side marker lights on the front bumper? I have picked up a cheap front bumper from a facelift Z3 because mine is badly damaged. I was thinking of putting the facelift bumper on my pre-facelift car but wondered if the wiring was already there for the side light markers?

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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by mrscalex » Sat 25 Jun, 2016 22:38

I'm new to the world of marker lights as I'm used to a pre-facelift. But I'm doing a facelift project now.

But my understanding is these are really the sidelights with the headlight unit not having a sidelight.

I put pre-facelift headlights in my facelift and scratched my head a bit when I couldn't find the sidelight connector near the headlight.

So I guess if you put facelift headlights in you could reroute the sidelight connector to the bumper.

That's the theory. Don't know if it's the same connector and the circuit is correctly rated for it.
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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by Southernboy » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 06:52

It's fairly certain the wiring will be there - doesn't make sense to make a variety of wiring harnesses on a production line with such a minor difference. It may be folded up and tied to somewhere in the general area or behind the wheel arch liner. If not, you can consider running wires from the head lights which turn on with the 1st click of your light switch. All you need is a blue and a brown wire - (brown to earth - blue from the power supply).
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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by mrscalex » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 11:10

Southernboy wrote:It's fairly certain the wiring will be there - doesn't make sense to make a variety of wiring harnesses on a production line with such a minor difference. It may be folded up and tied to somewhere in the general area or behind the wheel arch liner. If not, you can consider running wires from the head lights which turn on with the 1st click of your light switch. All you need is a blue and a brown wire - (brown to earth - blue from the power supply).
I'm guessing though that the wiring harness would have changed from pre-facelift to facelift. I think the answer is to divert the side light connector to the bumper and preferably fit facelift headlamps. But I'm interested to see what others say.
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1999 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Dimitri) - My brother's car owned from new and restored by me
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by Southernboy » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 11:17

my pre-facelift 2.8 had the bumper side light fitted, so I can't imagine why any pre-facelift should be different.
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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by mrscalex » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 11:23

Southernboy wrote:my pre-facelift 2.8 had the bumper side light fitted, so I can't imagine why any pre-facelift should be different.
Fair enough. Do you your headlight units have sidelights too out of interest? Or have I got this whole thing wrong that marker lights take the place of sidelights?
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1999 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Dimitri) - My brother's car owned from new and restored by me
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
Always happy to try and help with spares :)

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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by Southernboy » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 11:31

TBH I don't recall if it did have headlight sidelights... I changed the OEM units for the aftermarket angel eye / projector lens headlight many years ago. I do know that when I retro fitted the cruie control the wiring was already in place under the bonnet. There were also some "spare" wires with connectors in the bonnet / engine area near the windscreen washer reservoir which I never used, but were obviously there for some optional extra. Anyhow, have a good look around the area, and specifically behind any plastic trims like the wheel arch liners or other trim in the lower engine area.
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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by mrscalex » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 11:33

Southernboy wrote:TBH I don't recall if it did have headlight sidelights... I changed the OEM units for the aftermarket angel eye / projector lens headlight many years ago. I do know that when I retro fitted the cruie control the wiring was already in place under the bonnet. There were also some "spare" wires with connectors in the bonnet / engine area near the windscreen washer reservoir which I never used, but were obviously there for some optional extra. Anyhow, have a good look around the area, and specifically behind any plastic trims like the wheel arch liners or other trim in the lower engine area.
I'm fairly certain one of the spare connectors, the one on the right side, is for heated washer jets as that's were the sensor mounts. That's what the spare in that area is on my 2.2 facelift.
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1999 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Dimitri) - My brother's car owned from new and restored by me
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
Always happy to try and help with spares :)

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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by Southernboy » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 12:20

You're likely right about that - I guess we don't really need them here in South Africa... :sunny
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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by c_w » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 17:16

All the 6cylinder cars have always had the side marker lights. It's only the early 1.9s AFAIK that didn't have them.

On the cars with the side markers, the headlights don't have access holes for the sidelight in the main beam lamp. Though the cast mark is there.

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Re: Front bumper marker lights.

Post by Cheeseandbeans » Mon 27 Jun, 2016 09:47

Yeah mine is a 1997 with no side markers on the front bumper. I've put a facelift bumper on now, just need to get the side markers now and I'll give it a go. Thanks for the replies, I'll let you know how I get on.

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