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engines fitted to z3's

Post by peter2b » Sat 15 Oct, 2016 15:10

just seen an advert on ebay for a z3 with a 2ltr engine but in the details he said it was a straight 6 photo on the back of the car showed 2ltr did bmw do a 2 ltr straight 6?
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Post by deni2s » Sat 15 Oct, 2016 15:45

peter2b wrote:just seen an advert on ebay for a z3 with a 2ltr engine but in the details he said it was a straight 6 photo on the back of the car showed 2ltr did bmw do a 2 ltr straight 6?
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Yes, according to wiki it did.
The briefly available, 6-cylinder 2.0 L engine produced 10 more horsepower than the 1.9 L engine, and made 16-inch wheels standard.

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Post by Robert T » Sat 15 Oct, 2016 16:14

In the UK we had:

4-cylinder: 1.9 16-valve, 1.9 8-valve
6-cylinder: 2.0, 2.2, 2.8, 3.0 and 3.2 ///M

In other markets there were also:

4-cylinder: 1.8
6-cylinder: 2.5 and a detuned ///M

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Post by mrscalex » Sat 15 Oct, 2016 17:23

Useful to know engine type of each capacity.

Pre-Facelift
Name Years Type Cyl
1.8l 1996-2000 M43B18 4
1.9l 1996-2002 M44B19 4
2.8l 1996-1998 M52B28 6
2.8l 1998-1999 M52TUB28 6

Facelift
Name Years Type Cyl
1.9l 1996-2002 M43B19 4
2.0l 1999-2000 M52TUB20 6
2.2l 2000-2002 M54B22 6
2.8l 1999-2000 M52TUB28 6
3.0l 2000-2002 M54B30 6
Z3M 2000-2002 S54B32 6
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2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
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Post by Gazza » Sat 15 Oct, 2016 19:02

No such thing as a facelift Z3M :wink:
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Post by mrscalex » Sat 15 Oct, 2016 19:11

Didn't mean to include that line anyway. I know nothing about Z3Ms and wouldn't want to pretend I do :)
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2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
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Post by BeemerBoyo » Sun 16 Oct, 2016 06:14

You could argue that the last few S54 engined cars were a facelift compared to the earlier S50 engined cars

Not sure if there are any changes to headlight indicator lenses and other minor tweaks.
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Post by g8jka » Sun 16 Oct, 2016 08:58

Wasn't the 1.8 facelift and not pre-facelift?
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Post by Robert T » Sun 16 Oct, 2016 09:17

g8jka wrote:Wasn't the 1.8 facelift and not pre-facelift?
No. There was a real 1800cc engine which was not available in the UK.

The UK facelift model badged as a 1.8i is actually a 1900cc 8-valve engine.

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Post by Gazza » Sun 16 Oct, 2016 13:35

BeemerBoyo wrote:You could argue that the last few S54 engined cars were a facelift compared to the earlier S50 engined cars

Not sure if there are any changes to headlight indicator lenses and other minor tweaks.
I was thinking the same after I made the comment, there are slight differences to the S50 model but to my mind the 'Facelift' refers to the rear end change.
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Post by Bonzo » Sun 16 Oct, 2016 19:20

Ass lift then?
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Post by colb » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 08:33

Mine is badged 1.8, its a facelift model built in December 1999 and registered in the UK early 2000. M43 Engine 8valve.
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Post by mrscalex » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:38

colb wrote:Mine is badged 1.8, its a facelift model built in December 1998 and registered in the UK early 1999. M43 Engine 8valve.
Something a bit funny here. Common acceptance is they didn't start facelift production until April 1999!
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Post by Zed Carer » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:06

mrscalex wrote:
colb wrote:Mine is badged 1.8, its a facelift model built in December 1998 and registered in the UK early 1999. M43 Engine 8valve.
Something a bit funny here. Common acceptance is they didn't start facelift production until April 1999!
The BMW "Model Year" changes in September; so the facelift models commenced production on 01/09/98 ready for the April '99 launch. My facelift 2.8 was built in the 3rd week of August '99 and is therefore one of the last ones built as from 01/09/99 productions was switched to the 2.2 and 3.0 and the 2.0 and 2.8 were dropped.
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Post by mrscalex » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 12:46

Zed Carer wrote:The BMW "Model Year" changes in September; so the facelift models commenced production on 01/09/98 ready for the April '99 launch. My facelift 2.8 was built in the 3rd week of August '99 and is therefore one of the last ones built as from 01/09/99 productions was switched to the 2.2 and 3.0 and the 2.0 and 2.8 were dropped.
I don't think that can be quite right as my brother's 1.9 was built Dec 1998 and is definitely a pre-facelift.

This is the history from the belgacom Z3 pages:

01/01/1997: Z3 1.9 rear-drive Roadster (140 bhp) launched
01/08/1997 : Z3 2.8 (193 bhp) launched
01/07/1999 : Z3 1.8 and 2.0 launched [mrscalex - built from April 1999?]. Restyled rear end, chrome-rim headlamps, chrome-rim instruments.
01/09/2000 : Z3 2.2 (170 bhp) and 3.0 (231 bhp) launched.
01/02/2001 : Z3 2.2 Sport and 3.0 Sport launched. 2.2 Sapphire and Titanium editions (both £25950 new)

There are definitely 1.9 and 2.8 engined facelifts out there. The whole 1.8 thing I find very confusing although there is some logic to calling an 1895cc engine a 1.8 to put some space between it and a 2.0 for marketing purposes. Some 1895cc facelifts have 1.8 and others have 1.9 on the boot lid. But it's possible they all started out as 1.8s and some were rebadged as 1.9s by the owners?
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2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
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Post by Robert T » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 13:08

mrscalex wrote:I don't think that can be quite right as my brother's 1.9 was built Dec 1998 and is definitely a pre-facelift.
Whilst we generally accept that a build date of after 04/99 means facelift, if you try to configure a car in realoem/bmwfans with some of the different engine types, you will actually find that some "facelift" cars (blue) were built before then:

M43 1.8 EU LHD - 01/95 to 09/98 (no RHD for this engine)
M44 1.9 EU RHD - 07/95 to 04/99 (08/95 to 11/95 are not listed, but 12/95 is)
M44 1.9 EU LHD - 04/95 to 04/99
M43 1.9 EU RHD - 09/98 to 06/02 (10/98 and 11/98 are not listed, but 12/98 is)
M43 1.9 EU LHD - 01/98 to 06/02


M52 2.0 EU RHD - 09/98 to 10/02
M52 2.0 EU LHD - 07/98 to 10/02
M54 2.2 EU RHD - 01/00 to 06/02
M54 2.2 EU LHD - 12/99 to 06/02

M52 2.8 EU RHD - 01/97 to 05/00
M52 2.8 EU LHD - 07/96 to 05/00
M54 3.0 EU RHD - 09/99 to 06/02
M54 3.0 EU LHD - 09/99 to 06/02


S50 3.2 EU RHD - 05/97 to 06/00
S50 3.2 EU LHD - 04/96 to 06/00
S54 3.2 EU RHD - 04/00 to 04/02
S54 3.2 EU LHD - 03/00 to 05/02

And in fact there is some overlap between models being phased-out and their replacements when both types would have been on the production line at the same time. Also note how the dates are frequently different for LHD and RHD models. I've excluded US and SA cars from this, but there will be a similar story there I'm sure.

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Post by colb » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 18:15

Seems I put in the wrong build year for my 1.8 correct build date 12/99 first reg early 2000
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Post by rambo » Wed 19 Oct, 2016 13:40

My Z3 is a 1999 2.0 litre straight six which is what BMW should have done from the start.
They did no favours to the launch model with the 4 cylinder unit as a starter, you can't beat the sound of a BMW 6 no matter what size the engine is!

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Post by BladeRunner919 » Wed 19 Oct, 2016 15:12

rambo wrote: They did no favours to the launch model with the 4 cylinder unit as a starter, you can't beat the sound of a BMW 6 no matter what size the engine is!
I disagree. The 1.9 only has a small amount less power than the 2.0 (138bhp compared to 147bhp) but has a lot less weight, and that weight is carried further back in the chassis due to the shorter engine. Whilst it doesn't sound quite the same, the handling is much better.

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Post by peter2b » Wed 19 Oct, 2016 17:35

did the 2.2 sport model have more power than the standard 2.2 I know it had other goodies etc but wondered about bhp
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Post by deni2s » Wed 19 Oct, 2016 17:54

peter2b wrote:did the 2.2 sport model have more power than the standard 2.2 I know it had other goodies etc but wondered about bhp
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No, engine should be the same.

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Post by peter2b » Thu 20 Oct, 2016 20:58

ta just hoping

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Post by Jonttt » Fri 21 Oct, 2016 22:26

Gazza wrote:
BeemerBoyo wrote:You could argue that the last few S54 engined cars were a facelift compared to the earlier S50 engined cars

Not sure if there are any changes to headlight indicator lenses and other minor tweaks.
I was thinking the same after I made the comment, there are slight differences to the S50 model but to my mind the 'Facelift' refers to the rear end change.
There are 3 versions of the Z3m in the UK market...

To 04/99 S50 engined
Post 04/99 S50 (lined hood, different headlights, updated electrics includes airbag system and other things I can't remember)
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Post by Del » Fri 21 Oct, 2016 22:35

Why was the first US Z3m just a bored-out and tweaked M52 2.8 and not the proper S50. Am I correct in thinking the US got the later S54 version? :shrug

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