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Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 21:05

Looks like one of my front shockers has failed, although no noticeable ride issues. I'm not interested in lowering it or adjustables, so I'm looking at OEM or compatible. Anyone had experience of the Sachs? Or these Koni? Not sure if the Koni will slot straight in as the Sachs will or if they would need some modification to the existing strut? If so that would rule them out for me. I'll probably get the fronts fitted by a garage and do the backs myself at some point later down the line.

Sachs: http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/BMW_Z ... cf6&000925

Koni: http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/ ... ;car=bmwz3

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by Del » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 23:22

Sachs Super Touring are identical to the originals - I have them on my Z3 and they are fine - the car's handling was restored. Sachs are a top German supplier - my daily Audi has OE Sachs shocks on it. :)

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by mrscalex » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 23:45

Be careful though as there are Sport and non-Sport versions. Most web sites I checked fail to make the distinction.

Bav Auto does know the difference (as you might expect).

http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp?HC1=0&h ... M=Z3%203.0

Those are the Sachs part numbers they show.

I think the Sports parts are known as Advantage not Super Touring.
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by Bonzo » Wed 21 Dec, 2016 23:59

I renewed my front and rear suspension using OEM Sachs springs and shocks from E.C.P., Meyle drop links and A.R.B.mounting bushes. Other spares suppliers are available...... A noticeable difference, smooth and surefooted.

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by mrscalex » Thu 22 Dec, 2016 00:17

Never, ever, ever buy from Euro Car parts unless you get a 30% discount. Use code 'xmas' currently and these shocks are £66.82

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Thu 22 Dec, 2016 18:41

Thanks Del and Bonzo. I think I'll go for Sachs.

Thanks also mrscalex
mrscalex wrote:Be careful though as there are Sport and non-Sport versions. Most web sites I checked fail to make the distinction.

Bav Auto does know the difference (as you might expect).

http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp?HC1=0&h ... M=Z3%203.0

Those are the Sachs part numbers they show.

I think the Sports parts are known as Advantage not Super Touring.
Do you know what the difference is? Some say the sport editions have a lower ride height but I'm not sure they do - I have a 2001 2.2i sport - so maybe I'd need the sports version? Also weird to see that at BAV the sports ones are cheaper than the normal ones. Is your 2001 2.2 a sport edition?
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Thu 22 Dec, 2016 19:11

Thanks Del and Bonzo. I think I'll go for Sachs.

Thanks also mrscalex
mrscalex wrote:Be careful though as there are Sport and non-Sport versions. Most web sites I checked fail to make the distinction.

Bav Auto does know the difference (as you might expect).

http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp?HC1=0&h ... M=Z3%203.0

Those are the Sachs part numbers they show.

I think the Sports parts are known as Advantage not Super Touring.
Do you know what the difference is? Some say the sport editions have a lower ride height but I'm not sure they do - I have a 2001 2.2i sport - so maybe I'd need the sports version if my springs really are shorter? Also weird to see that at BAV the sports ones are cheaper than the normal ones. Is your 2001 2.2 a sport edition?
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by mrscalex » Thu 22 Dec, 2016 19:15

I have a Sport which is why I was careful to try and tie it down. Although I was only doing it for future reference and I haven't bought any yet. The previous owner replaced them with non-Sport. So they're on my to do list.

The Sport springs are 15mm lower. Not sure what the difference is with the strut but realoem lists it as a different part for the Sport. As it does the rubber bump stop.
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2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Thu 22 Dec, 2016 19:19

That's good to know - thanks very much
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by deni2s » Fri 23 Dec, 2016 09:03

I would go with sports. I have oem sports on black car and standard on yellow. Driving in yellow makes me dizzy. Replacing soon oem sports on black with bilsteins sports with acs lowered springs for looks and stiffer ride.

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by stevov » Fri 23 Dec, 2016 09:43

I would hope you are joking about being dizzy while driving. If not I would get the condition checked by a doctor. A public forum is not a place for an admission for suffering an incapacity to drive condition.

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Fri 23 Dec, 2016 10:08

Sometimes I feel giddy just looking at my Z parked on the driveway - maybe I also have a problem
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by deni2s » Fri 23 Dec, 2016 15:18

stevov wrote:I would hope you are joking about being dizzy while driving. If not I would get the condition checked by a doctor. A public forum is not a place for an admission for suffering an incapacity to drive condition.
My health is perfectly fine, just wanted to say, that driving with oem standard shocks and springs make me feel like I am sitting on Image.

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by Bonzo » Sat 24 Dec, 2016 00:24

Each to his own. I'm perfectly happy with the ride/handling with my new O.E.M. suspension and strut braces set up. Having a Strong Strut Butt Strut and Body Braces mean my ground clearance is limited anyway. I enjoy spirited driving, usually without bottoming out when speed humps and the like are encountered, and also have a comfortable driving experience. I think road cars that are lowered from stock by much look comical and ridiculous anyway. That's just my opinion, so each to his own and enjoy what you do.

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by NZ00Z3 » Sun 25 Dec, 2016 08:50

I used Meyle front and rear. very happy with the ride.

There was a "M suspension" option available to the non-m Z3's when new. This suspension has about a 15 mm drop in height. We get a lot of Jap import Z3's down here with this option. Maybe this is the application for those sport units

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by deni2s » Tue 27 Dec, 2016 09:21

NZ00Z3 wrote: There was a "M suspension" option available to the non-m Z3's when new. This suspension has about a 15 mm drop in height. We get a lot of Jap import Z3's down here with this option. Maybe this is the application for those sport units
That is what I have on my black car - option number 704 - M Sport Suspension (M Sportfahrwerk). Much more stable feel than standard suspension.

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by Bonzo » Tue 27 Dec, 2016 17:45

I don't think I'll fall off the road with my set up though. :wink:
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Wed 28 Dec, 2016 11:36

Thanks all. Are there other components that should be changed at the same time as the front shocks? Either essential or worth doing proactively while the strut is off? Bump stops perhaps? Looks like the bushes were already replaced pretty recently.

Also is there a way to see what options were and were not taken when your car was built? I'm guessing a dealer might be able to access this info but not sure if they will give it out (for free!)?
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by mrscalex » Wed 28 Dec, 2016 13:48

I don't think the bump stops, even in grotty looking condition are going to contribute much loss of handling. But if they are starting to disintegrate like mine were or if you just want to be thorough it's worth doing. They are £16 each from the dealer.

The rubber coil seating pads will need inspection and cleaning but don't bother replacing these either unless they are deteriorated.

There are some paper gaskets that go between the top of the strut and inner wing. Not sure how vital they are but they are £5 each (ouch) from the dealer.

You should also replace all 3 strut to hub bolts on each side.

If attempting the job yourself get a 24" breaker bar as they are horrible nuts to remove otherwise.

Apart from the bolts replacing a complete strut is not too difficult at all. But dismantling and inparticular reassembling the strut is best left to someone who's done it before unless you invest in a proper machine (not the £30 clamps).

It's where you stop really. You could argue it's worth changing the wishbones/lollipops and drop links while you're in the area too, maybe even the anti-roll bar bushes and inner/outer tie rods. They aren't hugely expensive. Meyle would be £169 from trusted ebay seller johnyboy-1. No idea on what it would add to labour costs. 2 hours?
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2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by deni2s » Thu 29 Dec, 2016 17:39

usernothername wrote:Thanks all. Are there other components that should be changed at the same time as the front shocks? Either essential or worth doing proactively while the strut is off? Bump stops perhaps? Looks like the bushes were already replaced pretty recently.
Adding OEM front strut reinforcement plates probably?
usernothername wrote:Also is there a way to see what options were and were not taken when your car was built? I'm guessing a dealer might be able to access this info but not sure if they will give it out (for free!)?
http://bimmer.work

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Re: Recomendations for new shocks

Post by usernothername » Sat 31 Dec, 2016 20:06

Thanks - also just noticed the sticky for this whoops
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