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Inherited Z3

Post by Wiltshiresaint » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 13:26

Hi everyone,

I've just joined the forum as I've inherited a 1997 Z3 with only 70k miles on the clock, but it needs a little TLC.

The car has been standing for about 6 years. Half of this was under cover, half open to the elements. It's mechanically pretty sound - I've had it MOT'd and although it failed it wasn't on anything major and is entirely fixable. It hasn't been serviced for many years though so I'm guessing that's also a key step once the worked required to get it through it's MOT has been done. It also has the battery 'drain' problem, primarily through underuse I guess, but reading the forums the solution here is usage and a trickle charger I believe.

What's more of an issue is damage done through underuse and wear and tear.

The tyre's need replacing for starters. The hood is shot. The rear of the seat well has about 1/2 inch of water in it where the hood leaks. I don't believe this is through any one hole or seal, it just looks like the hood has lost it's weatherproofing over the years. The window in the hood has also clouded over. The whole of the car smells musty, the leather upholstery is looking grim (although not worn out) and things like the speaker grills in the doors are starting to show signs of rust. The plastic interior fascias and panels also show signs of 'spotting' for want of a better word - again, through damp I suspect. Lastly, one of the door handles has pulled away from the door itself.

Externally the car looks in good nick though, although the wheels are starting to show signs of rust/pitting(?). There's only a couple of minor scratches and with a really good clean the paintwork is pretty good considering it's 20 years old.

I want to get the car back on the road AND looking great again. I'm guessing my priority should be a new hood, to make the car watertight again? Then sort out the battery issue and get it MOT'd and runnable again. After that the other issues are fixable with a little more money and effort? I guess at this stage I'm looking for a little reassurance that I don't have to spend £1,000s and £1,000s to achieve what I'm after.

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by pingu » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 13:56

Wiltshiresaint wrote:I guess at this stage I'm looking for a little reassurance that I don't have to spend £1,000s and £1,000s to achieve what I'm after.
Hi and welcome.

It is a very good basis for a project for someone. Project cars are very rarely profitable. I see them as projects for the enjoyment of the project.

If you DIY, it will be many hours of work (or many beer tokens for your mates as you call in favours :P ) and £100s. If you have to pay to get the jobs done it will be £1000s.

To me, taking on the job would be more determined by my emotional link to the car than anything else.

If I were just doing it to sell it, do the bare minimum to make it legal and safe to sell and it's then someone else's problem.
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by pingu » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 13:56

Double Post :head:
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Re: Inherited Z3

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Triple Post :head: :head: :head: :head: :head: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by John Wilson » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 14:23

Welcome to the forum. I was wondering if the roof could just be reproofed. It doesnt look generally worn and the window looks prety good, without the usual fold across the middle. The window can be polished up with Maguiars PlastX. That said, there does seem to be a gap at the window. Is it just not closed up properly? Puddles of water inside are a bit worrying though. It's usually inside the boot gets water in it from the arial grommet pereshing so a check to see thats all dry is worth it. Good luck with it. It'll look good with just a few bottles of products and some elbow grease.

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by colb » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 14:55

Looks like a good project car that only needs a good clean and a bit of fettling to get it back to a good standard.
The hood may still be good, I would give it a good clean and re proof it, either using one of the soft top kits available or using a soap soloution and follow that up with a waterproofer, I have good results using Fabsil tent proofer. I use soap flakes as the detergent followed by a good rinse with water.
Get the seats out and remove the carpets for cleaning and drying as soon as you can. Need to check the fit of the hood post cleaning and adjust if required, threads on this if you search the forum.
Use a good leather cleaner on the seats whilst you have them out.
Good clean of all the interior should get rid of the damp staining on the surfaces.
Treat all the rubber door and window/hood seals with http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/engine-an ... _1595.html
Also available on Amazon.
The radio speaker grills can be removed, cleaned and sprayed with black aerosol.
Treat the engine and gearbox and Diff to oil changes and filter, stick a new fuel filter on it as well.
Check and clean all the brakes, change pads if required, maybe discs as well if they need it.
At the end of that you will know much more about the car and have peace of mind that all these things have been done.
As to the wheels if steel then you should be able to pick up a set of decent alloys for reasonable outlay, Ebay has loads on usually.
Keep us updated on the progress
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Wiltshiresaint » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 17:28

Thanks for the quick responses everyone.

This is definitely a 'do it up and enjoy it' project rather than a quick 'get it ready to sell' one.

Already some really great help suggested, and an order for hood waterproofer has been placed! As suggested I'll post my progress in the forum :-)

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by peter2b » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 18:40

as above the roof looks ok just clean and reproof, I would take the seats out as there might be a lot of water underneath , good clean the seats when out warm water and a nail brush let them dry out slowly not in front of a fire, then use a leather cream to rub in
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by peter2b » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 19:35

just seen a post on face book about autoglim leather cleaner I've used it with good results
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Zed Carer » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 20:58

Hi and welcome. It looks like it will be a very nice Zed when you've finished.

Be careful when taking the seats out; you need to keep the battery connected to move the seats backwards/forwards to get at the fixings, etc. Be careful not to put the key in the ignition and turn it whilst the seats are out or the seat belt warning (occupation sensor) will be triggered - some people put masking tape over the ignition switch just to make sure.
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by bertiejaffa » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 22:26

As everyone has said - very much a saveable car - welcome to the mad house.

with regards the roof - clean it as people say and ensure the drain holes are clear. Also remove the back carpet under the water - if any water is comign in from there you will see the trails. you will need to reseal it - pretty easy just need to unbolt the roof (11 screws)

For the rest of the interior look in the knowledge base as discussed to remove it all and dry the carpets. It will take a weekend roughly but worth doing and with everything out you can have a hose on the outside of the car to see all leaks... they are all fixable - just depends where they are.

Regarding the engine - yeah, a good service (home one will do - check the knowledge base again) and check the air hoses for leaks and cracks.

Most of all enjoy it - any problems, PM me
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by spurs fan in a coupe » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 22:30

I break a few Z3s, I'm just up the M3/M4 in Woking, I have a Boston Green in for breaking (with hardtop) and a couple of nice roofs at the minute too, plenty of nice wheels/tyres also.

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by mrscalex » Tue 25 Apr, 2017 23:57

If you're in Wiltshire as per your forum name you're welcome to pop over to me with the car as I'm in Swindon. Especially if the 'saint' part indicates you are a fellow Southampton fan ;)

I have a couple of projects on the go currently including an identical car for my other half's son. I also break Z3s so plenty of parts available if you need them.

I have a spare set of the pepperpot wheels with useable tyres that you are welcome to have for free. I have just taken them off my project car as I think they are a) horrible and b) too small at 15"!!

I have a couple of other sets in 16" if you want something a bit more befitting the car.
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Geoff Crispin » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 09:37

Interesting reading your post that you are in Swindon and that you break Zeds I am in Somerset and wondering if you know about central locking and remotes which I am having problems with which you may know how to remedy Geoff :)

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by BladeRunner919 » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 10:31

Geoff Crispin wrote:Interesting reading your post that you are in Swindon and that you break Zeds I am in Somerset and wondering if you know about central locking and remotes which I am having problems with which you may know how to remedy Geoff :)
I'm sure if you start a thread explaining your woes we can help you out. :D

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by mrscalex » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 11:18

BladeRunner919 wrote:
Geoff Crispin wrote:Interesting reading your post that you are in Swindon and that you break Zeds I am in Somerset and wondering if you know about central locking and remotes which I am having problems with which you may know how to remedy Geoff :)
I'm sure if you start a thread explaining your woes we can help you out. :D
BladeRunner is right. Better off tapping into the collective knowledge of the forum rather than rely on me. I can help with many things knowledge wise but not expert on central locking/remotes. Give me a shout if I can help with any spares though. 2 complete cars here either on the shelf already or waiting to come off the car - less of course what's been sold.
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2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Trudy) - My car rebuilt from a write-off
2002 Z3 2.2 Titan Silver (Okus) - Project car waiting for a new engine
2001 Z3 2.2 Topaz Blue (Debra) - Donor car/breaker
1998 Z3 1.9 Boston Green (Allsworth) - Donor car/breaker now gone to Z3 heaven
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by metalmickey » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 12:49

Hi
Regarding battery drainage problem.
You should check the actuator and solenoid functions. If the remote central locking isn't locking the either of the two doors or boot lid this could mean that an actuator has failed. Should this be the case then there will be an issue with power draining from the battery. It is the same as leaving the side lights on without the engine running. I have this problem at the moment and I have to drive the car everyday to maintain sufficient charge to turn the engine over. I understand that it is a common problem with BMWs and VWs.
I am going to attempt to replace the actuator on the passenger door lock mechanism using the "how to" guide on the knowledge base.
Good luck with your project. Once complete you will have a lovely fun car to drive.
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by BladeRunner919 » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 13:00

I think it's far more likely you just have an old battery than a parasitic drain. Batteries do not respond well to being just left unused, so I'd consider this before potentially wasting time looking for a problem that isn't there.

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Boysie » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 14:30

Welcome, and when sorted enjoy it


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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by saltcoatsbhoy » Wed 26 Apr, 2017 20:42

A bit off topic but could anyone point me to a pic of the drainage holes mentioned above?

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by lightning » Thu 27 Apr, 2017 13:47

If l were you l would take up the very kind offer of help from Mrscalex, above.
He also offered a free set of wheels so it would be well worth a trip to see him, in my opinion. He's just done an engine change on a Z3 2.2 so should be able to help you out with any technical queries.

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Re: Inherited Z3 central locking problems

Post by pingu » Thu 27 Apr, 2017 18:05

Geoff Crispin wrote:Thanks for your replies I have repaired two wires in loom of doom and now sometime all lock from either door or boot and sometime they don't. Yesterday went out parked up locked from drivers door and all worked, returned tro car put key in drivers door and nothing happened no noise nothing so then put key in boot operated lock but did not sound right then went back to drivers door and it unlocked with boot but passenger door still locked,
When I purchased car 18months ago it did not come with a remote but I have one now but needs to be recoded somehow ?
It seems that depends on how I lock or unlock it is ie from where and it is not always the same result.
Could it be a wire problem or the actuator ?
Have you posted this in the correct thread?
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Geoff Crispin » Sat 29 Apr, 2017 06:14

No it started as a comment to a response on this thread so maybe the moderator would be good enough to move it for me, please :wink:

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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Gazza » Sat 29 Apr, 2017 10:44

Geoff Crispin wrote:No it started as a comment to a response on this thread so maybe the moderator would be good enough to move it for me, please :wink:

I've started a new thread for you, viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45143&p=416019#p416019
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Re: Inherited Z3

Post by Geoff Crispin » Sat 29 Apr, 2017 11:49

Thanks Gazza

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