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Re: M cars

Post by offyourmarks » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 19:28

I think its great that the old school m cars are soaring up in price.

Last of the analogue era and never to be repeated. All that noise, vibration, snarling and howling from the S50/54 can never ever be created again. From the era that the M badge wasn't so diluted - it actually meant that the car it was attached had a masterpiece of an engine.

Long may they continue to be acknowledged for what they are - fabulous!

The new M cars do look utterly amazing mind - phwoarr

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Post by Badman gee » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 19:36

The new ones are nice, but, you can't beat the last of the raw m cars!

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Post by Jonttt » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 19:39

offyourmarks wrote:I think its great that the old school m cars are soaring up in price.

Last of the analogue era and never to be repeated. All that noise, vibration, snarling and howling from the S50/54 can never ever be created again. From the era that the M badge wasn't so diluted - it actually meant that the car it was attached had a masterpiece of an engine.

Long may they continue to be acknowledged for what they are - fabulous!

The new M cars do look utterly amazing mind - phwoarr

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Yep the M4 synced with my phone very quickly, even the ///M badges on the seat lit up, great fun but too refined, give me old school any day :twisted:
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Post by TitanTim » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 20:37

Jonttt wrote:
offyourmarks wrote:I think its great that the old school m cars are soaring up in price.

Last of the analogue era and never to be repeated. All that noise, vibration, snarling and howling from the S50/54 can never ever be created again. From the era that the M badge wasn't so diluted - it actually meant that the car it was attached had a masterpiece of an engine.

Long may they continue to be acknowledged for what they are - fabulous!

The new M cars do look utterly amazing mind - phwoarr

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Yep the M4 synced with my phone very quickly, even the ///M badges on the seat lit up, great fun but too refined, give me old school any day :twisted:
I tried an M4 a few weeks ago more out of curiosity than anything and thought to myself why would you be insane enough to fork out the extra over an M135i/235i it does make you wonder as BMW have done a cracking job with them. I'm awaiting the M2 as potential replacement but will ponder whether the extra is truly worth it in £££s.

Old school as in Z3M is just that old school, great in an endearing way but we all know the standard chassis was never quite up to it, but then still fun to a degree :)

Interestingly there is a buyers guide in the latest issue of BMW magazine on the 1.9 Z3 which they say is the pick of the Z3 range :lol: i.e. the power to weight ratio is more the ideal for a roadster, funny how times have changed from when they were first released and slated for being underpowered and the model to avoid :roll:

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Re: M cars

Post by Robo57 » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 21:05

chill4x4saph wrote:
Robo57 wrote:Hi everyone, new member and first post on here. Well, I'm in the process of purchasing a z3m from Parkway. It's the Cosmos Black one on their website. Parkway have been excellent, nothing has been too much for the guys and I'm fussy.
Can't wait to take delivery, looking forward to a cracking summer.
congrats!!! looks lovely in the pictures!!!!, is it your first?
Thanks. Yes its my first z3m, first m car in fact.Fancied a "modern classic" and considered a few alternatives, gtv, s2000 etc. First drive in the z3m I knew it was something special. :D

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Post by Robo57 » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 21:12

Julie Z3 wrote:
Robo57 wrote:Hi everyone, new member and first post on here. Well, I'm in the process of purchasing a z3m from Parkway. It's the Cosmos Black one on their website. Parkway have been excellent, nothing has been too much for the guys and I'm fussy.
Can't wait to take delivery, looking forward to a cracking summer.

I'd be making a fuss of anyone prepared to pay their price! Yes I am bitter :D
Hi Julie, well understand your bitterness !! Did I pay their asking price? after all they are dealers. :wink:

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Post by pingu » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 21:12

Who do you know who would pay £14k for a private sale?

The only people who will be able to sell these cars for £14k are dealers. I suspect they will be buying them for £10k, so the price you get is probably similar to what it was last year.

Does anyone know what the previous owner got for one of the £14k cars?
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Post by chill4x4saph » Mon 16 Mar, 2015 21:54

Robo57 wrote:
chill4x4saph wrote:
Robo57 wrote:Hi everyone, new member and first post on here. Well, I'm in the process of purchasing a z3m from Parkway. It's the Cosmos Black one on their website. Parkway have been excellent, nothing has been too much for the guys and I'm fussy.
Can't wait to take delivery, looking forward to a cracking summer.
congrats!!! looks lovely in the pictures!!!!, is it your first?
Thanks. Yes its my first z3m, first m car in fact.Fancied a "modern classic" and considered a few alternatives, gtv, s2000 etc. First drive in the z3m I knew it was something special. :D
excellent!, you will love it!!..,they are very special!, very capable!, and very endearing cars!! IMO the modern stuff is all very well and good but they are a bit "digital watch" verses a good wind up "omega" or something!! (im not really into watches!!, I presume an omega is pretty good?!? haha), they can do a good sub 5 second to 60, and are way to fast for the road when driven at anywhere near their limits so are right up there with best of them, all that combined with the exclusivity of one of the lowest production bmws ever made, not to mention a car in my opinion that has more character than pretty much anything ive ever driven this side of £100k all adds up to something you can be truly proud of.

and for the record, I think the price it was up for was strong, but for such a low miles example certainly not out of the question!, ive made this point before, but if it was an e30 m3 (a car of similar rarity) with 35k on it would be much more!!!

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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 06:44

pingu wrote:Who do you know who would pay £14k for a private sale?

The only people who will be able to sell these cars for £14k are dealers.
I would buy one from a private sale if I knew the person and the cars history.
I don't think dealers alone will sell theses cars. If anything I wouldn't trust a dealer.
The warranties they provide are never substantial and probably give minimal cover for a short period.
Give it a few more years and the prices will increase again.

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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 06:59

Old school as in Z3M is just that old school, great in an endearing way but we all know the standard chassis was never quite up to it, but then still fun to a degree :)

And thats what makes the Z3MR so special!

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Post by Z3cade » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 09:58

You told me you were flogging your Z3M and getting an M6 BMG
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Post by Z3cade » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 10:02

Realistically what would people pay for an average condition ZMR from a private sale? As said 6 months ago you could pick one up anywere from 6k-7k+
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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 10:47

Not any about for that price now Liam!

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Post by pingu » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 11:26

Z3cade wrote:Realistically what would people pay for an average condition ZMR from a private sale? As said 6 months ago you could pick one up anywere from 6k-7k+
That would be about my max. There would have to be absolutely no alarm bells to go much higher.

Don't misunderstand me, I would prefer to work directly with a private seller, but there are many problems with this - unrealistic expectations (from both sides), virtually no comeback at all after the sale (caveat emptor), no finance, no warranty.
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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 11:33

Id be amazed if you find one for that price now!

They are being priced out of the market.
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Post by Z3cade » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 11:43

Supose people have different views on a cars value. If I had 15k to spend on an M now it would be a Z4M coupe. People forget the z3ms are high matainace cars that will need a lot of work to keep them tip top with there increasing age.
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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 11:50

Just like us Liam, we all need mtce as we get older!
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Post by shantybeater » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 16:15

I really don't think Z4M prices will control Z3M prices. Rolling back 3+ years ago now when I bought my s54 a Z4MR was only a grand or so more. As tempting as the 'newer' car was it didnt do it for me anywhere near as much, yes it was technically alot more capable but it didnt have the outragious looks and the beautiful interior. Pretty sure UK production numbers of the Z3M are far far lower than the Z4m as well so i would expect to see the Z3M's go higher.

As for how much people would pay, if I had 15k~ in my hand i'd be tempted back into an s54 for a private sale. Look at 1M's vs M2's, if the M2 comes out and is 'technically' better but more understated in looks with higher production numbers do you really think it will force down the prices of 1M's? I don't think so..
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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 16:22

I agree James, the new M cars don't really do it for me either, and neither does the z4 new or old.
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Post by bertiejaffa » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 16:32

shantybeater wrote: Pretty sure UK production numbers of the Z3M are far far lower than the Z4m as well so i would expect to see the Z3M's go higher.
918 s50 and 73 s54 = 991 in total for the UK I believe
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Post by eahornel1 » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 16:57

918 s50 and 73 s54 = 991 in total for the UK I believe[/quote]


And according to statistics about 400 of the S50`s have been written off.... I wonder how many real top quality ones around like the cosmos black that has just been purchased by Robo57 :wink:

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Post by chill4x4saph » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 17:28

eahornel1 wrote:918 s50 and 73 s54 = 991 in total for the UK I believe

And according to statistics about 400 of the S50`s have been written off.... I wonder how many real top quality ones around like the cosmos black that has just been purchased by Robo57 :wink:[/quote]

correct!!!....,its easy to slate the value of high milers, or cars that have been messed about with or modded, but a genuine low miles well cared for unmolested car like the one robo57 has bought, well they are a different prospect totally!!!!

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Post by Jonttt » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 21:35

Z3cade wrote:?.......... People forget the z3ms are high matainace cars that will need a lot of work to keep them tip top with there increasing age.
Funny, I would say the opposite about a Z3m. I struggle to think of a 300+ BHP Classic car that's as cheap to run :?:
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Post by Mike123 » Wed 18 Mar, 2015 01:08

Jonttt wrote:
Z3cade wrote:?.......... People forget the z3ms are high matainace cars that will need a lot of work to keep them tip top with there increasing age.
Funny, I would say the opposite about a Z3m. I struggle to think of a 300+ BHP Classic car that's as cheap to run :?:
I agree, Jonttt. I'm coming up to 10 years and nearly 80,000 miles in mine - the running costs compare favourably with any car I've owned.

25-26mpg (although I have managed to get it down to 8mpg on track days when really trying), nothing unusual in terms of servicing costs (reliable indie rather than main dealer), Falken 453s which are cheap, brilliant, and last really well, cheap tax, and sensible insurance. Totally reliable, has started first time, every time, and sails through MOTs every year. Engine still raring to go, gearbox perfect, original clutch, everything still works, and no sign of rust - how many 15 year old 90+k mile cars can match all that?

I have spent a bit of money upgrading the suspension and brakes, but that was my choice, and not totally necessary. I used to describe the handling as 'interesting' or 'exciting' :shock: , although I loved its edginess! :twisted:

Now it's just 'fabulous' :sunny

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Post by Tilly » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 17:29

I cannot really comment on the relative running costs of the M but I can supply the actual costs of running a car from new. Well almost. For mine it was owned by a main BMW franchise in Germany so I have not any records during that period apart from the regular maintenance work which was carried out.

The table below list all the costs over the years. The only things not included are Tax, insurance, MOT's, petrol and cleaning sundries.

Action Date Kilometres Cost
Delivery inspection 21.2.1997. 0. £0.00
Oil service 06.02.1998. 13,582. No record cost
Inspection I 07.09.1998. 23,000. £456.00
Balance wheels 22.12.1998. 30,000. £75.00
Oil service 02.04 1999. 35,700. £205.00
Speaker fault 10.08.1999. 39,114. £91.37
Inspection II + Rear Discs & Windscreen 17.03.2000. 43,922. £1,554.00
Tyres+4 Goodyear F1 18.03.2000. 44,910. £513.86
Tyres+1 Goodyear F1(Puncture) 06.06.2000. 47,119. £147.93
Oil service 20.10.2000. 53,438. £105.69
Inspection II 23.02.2002. 66,930. £446.68
Misfire. Coil connections 02.05.2002. 68,529. £292.85
New gear knob 18.06.2002. £37.61
Inspection 1 + rev counter fault,
A/C condenser, front discs 22.05.2003. 77,562. £1,299.86
Inspection I 03.11.2004. 90,114. £421.20
Tyres+2 Goodyear F1 19.02.2005. 92,101. £249.90
Oil service+ rear discs, Shock Mounts,
New clutch 13.02.2006. 99,085. £916.60
New battery 23.06.2006. 100,015. £76.99
Diff oil leak 24.06.2006. 101,392. £106.84
Oil level sensor, replace radio,New drivers seat 17.07.2006. 102,014. £1,512.39
Seat washer replacement 29.08.2007. 106,822. £162.93
Inspection II + oil leak block, pressure valve,
Front discs 31.01.2008. 109,234. £1,233.57
Outer CV boot 7.3.2008. 109,752. £98.23
Oil service,Refurb wheels, front wishbone bushes,
anti roll bar links,refit re diff mounts and new welds,
rebuild rear suspension,clean treat brake and fuel pipes 22.01.2009. 113,643. £1,985.26

Failed MOT check codes, Vanos, retest 09.02.2009. 113,966. £165.92
Replace Vanos with Dr Vanos recon system 23.03.2009. 113,984. £683.18
Goodyear 245/40/17, fitted blanced 19.06.2009. 114,458. £273.70
Oil service, Aircon condenser replace + regas.
Replace cam sensor, throtle switch,
and exhaust vanos seals. 12.4.2010. 120,171. £1,153.34
replace windscrean 30.4.2010. 120,250. £60.00( insurance)
Inspection 1 + valve clearances + new belts 28.06.2010. 122,511. £741.00
Rough running checked+idle control valve 02.07.2010. 122,515. £406.44
Replace spark plugs 19.07.2010. 122,612. £82.44
Replace inlet cam sensor 16.08.2010. 123,762. £85.00
Dr Vanos repair + New air flow meter 6. 10.2010. 124,222. £1,167.34
Inspection 11 4.4.2012. 130,330. £813.99
New vanos unit 15.6.2012. 131,204. £3,164.88
Differential rebuild plus braided hose 10.9.2012. 133,171. £798.00
Tyres(F1's) and wheel refurb 13.11.2012. 134,218. £961.00
New battery 9.2.2013. 135,007. £85.94
Rebuild altenator 19.2.2013. 138,917. £600.00
Cam gears replaced 26.6.2013. 139,754. F.O.C.
Clean, repair paint sills underside, replace gearbox,
clutch, headlight, brake pipes, oil change
New intermediate cylinder head 11.02.2015. 142,489. £6,125.05
Total £29,356.98

That comes out at about £1700/year. However, almost half of the costs have come in the last few years. Running an older car can cost money especially if you cannot do the work yourself and you use new OEM parts. If you take that and the depreciation hit we are beginning to talk some serious money.

So as I have said many times for me this is not an investment but a very pleasurable hobby.

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Post by bertiejaffa » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 17:40

there are a lot of very high cost on there in my opinion... a few £1k+ services and over £100 to do the seat bushes amongst some of them on a quick scan
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Post by Mike123 » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 18:14

I'm impressed that you can produce such a detailed list, Tilly :pc

I've just quickly scanned my receipts over 10 years, they total about £12k, so £1,200 per year, 15p per mile.

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Post by Tilly » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 20:53

bertiejaffa wrote:there are a lot of very high cost on there in my opinion... a few £1k+ services and over £100 to do the seat bushes amongst some of them on a quick scan
You are right. Cheapest labour charges at £65/hour with indies but the main agent charges much higher. Some examples at main BMW agent. Inspection 1 and investigate lumpy iddle(28.6.2010) cost £741. Labour costs were £546. When lumpy idle not cured by main agent they carried out further investigations including removing and fitting parts from another donor vehicle. The fault was finally traced to a faulty Dr Vanos unit inlet seal. Dr Vanos replaced parts free of charge and the garage refitted. A new MAF metre was fitted at the same time. Total cost was £1167 of which £806 was for labour. Finally the inspection 11 labour charges (04.04.2012) were £423. You mentioned the seat bushes, labour was £160. I must admit I have since learnt how to do that myself and have successfully done it several times on the two Zeds.

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Post by Tilly » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 21:00

Mike123 wrote:I'm impressed that you can produce such a detailed list, Tilly :pc

I've just quickly scanned my receipts over 10 years, they total about £12k, so £1,200 per year, 15p per mile.

Thanks,
But it is easy if you have every invoice and an Excel spread sheet. Yours cost are not too dissimilar to mine. I believe that very few cars with a similar performance would be any cheaper to run over a long period. If you drive them as we do then many would be much more unless to can do most of the maintenance yourself.

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Post by Tilly » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 21:02

Tilly wrote:
Mike123 wrote:I'm impressed that you can produce such a detailed list, Tilly :pc

I've just quickly scanned my receipts over 10 years, they total about £12k, so £1,200 per year, 15p per mile.

Thanks,
But it is easy if you have every invoice and an Excel spread sheet. Yours cost are not too dissimilar to mine. I believe that very few cars with a similar performance would be any cheaper to run over a long period. If you drive them as we do then many would be much more to run unless to can do most of the maintenance yourself.

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Post by Tilly » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 21:02

Tilly wrote:
Tilly wrote:
Mike123 wrote:I'm impressed that you can produce such a detailed list, Tilly :pc

I've just quickly scanned my receipts over 10 years, they total about £12k, so £1,200 per year, 15p per mile.

Thanks,
But it is easy if you have every invoice and an Excel spread sheet. Yours cost are not too dissimilar to mine. I believe that very few cars with a similar performance would be any cheaper to run over a long period. If you drive them as we do then many would be much more to run unless to can do most of the maintenance yourself.

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Post by gookah » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 22:40

£1700 a year? on top of fuel, tax, insurance and depreciation, there is a big difference in keeping one on the road between that and a 3.0 sport.

So for instance, a Z3M roadster for sale with around 75,000 miles, would if those figures were similar, could cost £25400 onwards just to keep it going.

I have thought about getting a Z3M, but not anymore, I refuse to pay over 8K, and for those ridiculous 'asking prices' (and that's all they are so far,) I would rather buy a Z4M again as it's the last of the M roadsters, and will be cheaper to own and technically more advanced.
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Post by TitanTim » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 23:02

Will be interesting to keep an eye on a few cars for sale at dealers and see them still sitting there on the forecourt this Autumn. It's all very well hiking the asking price if you know it will sell.

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Post by chill4x4saph » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 23:10

I used one as a daily driver a few years back (not any of the ones I currently have) i did 18000 miles in it over two years, i always got it to full temp before going over 3000rpm but once it was up to temp i thrashed the thing, and i MEAN thrashed, everywhere!!..., it did over 150mph at least three times a week, and every time it was at a set of lights id launch it like it was on the drag strip, EVERYTIME!! and the car never missed a beat!, never needed a part!, i did change the oil myself every 3-4000 miles between services as 10k oil change intervals are just nonsense (anyone with half a brain knows that), but other than the extra oil and filters and tyres the only cost i had where the services to keep it up to date on its fsh. I really don't know what you're all doing with them to warrant all those costs?!?!?, perhaps you've entered them in a few rally stages?!?!?, because really you couldn't have put one under any more load than i did with that example.

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Post by pingu » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 23:35

Mike123 wrote:I'm impressed that you can produce such a detailed list, Tilly :pc

I've just quickly scanned my receipts over 10 years, they total about £12k, so £1,200 per year, 15p per mile.
So far (since Nov 2011), I've spent £1300 on servicing and parts that have broken because I've used the car, £122 on tools, £2500 on insurance, VED and MOT tests, and £4200 on fuel (16000 miles). I've also spent £6000 on things I didn't need, but that's another story.

It has cost a little over £2 per day to own and 34ppm to drive.
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Re: M cars

Post by Badman gee » Fri 20 Mar, 2015 06:58

That's reasonable Pingu.

I will have to work out my costs but they won't be excessive.

It's not used as a daily drive.

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Re: M cars

Post by Tilly » Fri 20 Mar, 2015 07:30

chill4x4saph wrote:I used one as a daily driver a few years back (not any of the ones I currently have) i did 18000 miles in it over two years, i always got it to full temp before going over 3000rpm but once it was up to temp i thrashed the thing, and i MEAN thrashed, everywhere!!..., it did over 150mph at least three times a week, and every time it was at a set of lights id launch it like it was on the drag strip, EVERYTIME!! and the car never missed a beat!, never needed a part!, i did change the oil myself every 3-4000 miles between services as 10k oil change intervals are just nonsense (anyone with half a brain knows that), but other than the extra oil and filters and tyres the only cost i had where the services to keep it up to date on its fsh. I really don't know what you're all doing with them to warrant all those costs?!?!?, perhaps you've entered them in a few rally stages?!?!?, because really you couldn't have put one under any more load than i did with that example.
In fact I probably am less tough on the car than you describe. Average yearly costs can very misleading. There have been several periods during the life on my car when mileage was considerable and costs very low. But then equally there have been periods of high expenditure and low mileage. Over 18 years the major cost areas have been Vanos problems, boot welds, brake servicing and rust prevention. But take the alternator failure which can happen anytime. I could not get a new one, didn't want a second hand one and therefore had to have mine rebuilt by a specialist. It was the same with the diff and gearbox bearings. It is a complex car and like everything else with use and time parts wear out. You can be lucky for a time but keep going long enough things will fail and costs will mount.

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Re: M cars

Post by Tilly » Fri 20 Mar, 2015 07:41

Badman gee wrote:That's reasonable Pingu.

I will have to work out my costs but they won't be excessive.

It's not used as a daily drive.

Mark
I must be getting old. I have just calculated my complete cost/mile covering everything bar depreciation. Over the life of the car it comes in at just under 65p/mile. If you look at many schemes for reimbursing drivers for mileage or leasing contracts, for the performance of the car it is not high. In fact it is surprisingly low.

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Re: M cars

Post by chill4x4saph » Fri 20 Mar, 2015 09:45

just as a general fyi,
ive owned quite a few vanos equipped cars, and again never had an issue. also a few friends have owned them and also been very lucky, one did have to get his repaired when he first got it (2 years ago), but after that its been fine, (its his daily driver)

I did muse on why we seem to have been lucky with them, and I actually believe its because when the cars are used, they get "exercised", I don't like to say abused because if the oils new, and the cars cooling system is tip top and the cars fully up to temp, (oil temp not just coolant!!!) then using them to their full is what they are designed for its not abuse, its what they like!!!!!..., I fully believe the reason so many people have issues with them is because 99% of the time they just drive around hardly ever going over 4-5000 rpm.

when I was younger, and was serving my apprenticeship as a mechanic (and granted I know cars where much simpler), all of the local cars that you knew were owned by folk (I don't want to stereotype but o.a.p.'s etc) who just tootled around where always coming in for all kinds going wrong with them, engines are designed to be used!, if its an old lister diesel cement mixer engine, its designed to sit there for its life on tickover, if however its a n/a 100 bhp per litre performance engine, its designed to be exercised, and exercised to the full!, often!

I have seen it time and time again, not just with bmw M's, with all sorts of performance stuff, ive had quite a few ford cosworths and they where the same, if you drove them round slowly you'd do a set of plugs in in no time, as well as all sorts of other problems.

its just a theory I have! (albeit one that ive seen proved time and time again!!)

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Re: M cars

Post by pingu » Fri 20 Mar, 2015 18:28

I agree with your theory. I think cars are like horses. There are old shire horses that will plod along all day long with a bit of hay (a Lister diesel in a canal narrowboat), there are old nags you can feed any old crap and they will do a day's shift for you (my Escort van), and there are thoroughbreds that need the best treatment and the best food, but are capable of winning the derby if treated right.

The Ms a thoroughbred, straining at it's reins. Every time you want to walk, it wants to trot. Every time you want to trot, it wants to cantor. Every time you want to cantor it wants to gallop. :D
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Re: M cars

Post by Badman gee » Fri 20 Mar, 2015 18:59

Let's face it, it's amazing!
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Re: M cars

Post by Zim » Thu 30 Apr, 2015 16:27

sorry bumping and old topic, but got to say i love my s50 its done 64k and still purring :D, though in the last month or two i have had 5 people try to buy my car off me, one even left a note begging me to call him back :D just looked at what these are now going for now is crazy!!

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Re: M cars

Post by Badman gee » Thu 30 Apr, 2015 19:20

Zim wrote:sorry bumping and old topic, but got to say i love my s50 its done 64k and still purring :D, though in the last month or two i have had 5 people try to buy my car off me, one even left a note begging me to call him back :D just looked at what these are now going for now is crazy!!
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Re: M cars

Post by Zim » Thu 30 Apr, 2015 19:34

That's the plan, though have a wedding to pay for soon. Plus the inspection light has come up :/

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