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Post by Jonttt » Mon 12 Dec, 2011 13:29

RIP Neil (NorwegianBlue) who passed away a few days ago. Thanks for your great work on the S54 register.
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Post by Jonttt » Mon 07 May, 2012 16:58

I think the details are now complete via an extract from BMW webETK database.

I've started a seperate thread so that the final details are more easily identifyable:

S54 Full Specification and options by VIN thread

The new thread has been locked as it was not done for discussion but simply to make the facts easily available. Any discussions / comments can be made on this original thread.
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Post by Phil » Mon 07 May, 2012 18:05

Superb info.
I notice mine is the only Sapphire black/black,red interior and red hood.
I thought they were all supplied with hard tops but this shows otherwise and mine is one of those :lol:
One error though as it shows they had multifunction steering wheels and mine hasn't.
As my new BMW red hood arrives in the UK this week, at great expense, it does put in perspective the rarity of the car.
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Post by Gazza » Mon 07 May, 2012 19:28

Jonttt, big pat on the back for doing this :D :bow :bow
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Post by Jonttt » Mon 07 May, 2012 20:48

Cheers guys,

most of it was done whilst running around after my 2 year old as SWMBO has been sunning herself in Spain !

I did not realise how few S54's there are with red hoods (hood colours was one of the most frustrating stats to be incomplete)

I did note the mutli function steering wheel code that is used, I guess they mean the horn lol

Its a pity Neil was not around to see the finished work completing his database but it feels good to finish it for him which was a big part of why I spent a good few hours pulling this together over the weekend. Without his initial efforts I would never have thought to get involved :bow
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Post by Gazza » Mon 07 May, 2012 21:00

A great tribute to Neil :wink:
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Post by whiteminks » Mon 07 May, 2012 22:40

Gazza wrote:A great tribute to Neil :wink:
Wowza!!!!

I bet he is dancing a jig in heaven! :) I still can't believe he's gone though :cry:
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Post by Alfie » Mon 07 May, 2012 23:06

WOW....!
Excellent work and a great resource.
Thanks for finishing the job that has eluded many in the past.

A little history....
I know that a few 'forum elders' had attempted to prize this info out of BMW several years ago and were repeatedly fobbed off with "...those records have been archived and it would cost too much to retrieve them."
However, there was a lot of fragmented info hanging around on the forum, so I did a lot of digging around and started up a spreadsheet in an attempt to compile it all.
Fairly soon, I discovered that Neil had had the same idea, so a few years ago we swapped spreadsheets which helped to fill in a lot of the gaps. Neil continued to pursue the 'Holy Grail' and get the list finished, so I just gave him the nod when I found any fresh info that he might not have seen. Then....along came Jonttt and here we are! The Grail has finally been acheived! Neil would be very happy.

So just 3 with red roofs eh? Oh So Cool!

I knew that RED was originally a press car, but I didn't know that she was the first VIN to actually be sold.
Fascinating!
Any idea what S986A SALAPA means?
Jonttt wrote:....and the remaining x4 development cars where never sold to the public ?
Not stirctly true I'm afraid. I test drove the Phoenix 64005 with a view to purchase (from a BMW dealer) shortly before I found RED. It was quite high mileage so obviously had been used on the road. It was a bit of an enigma because it had a manual roof and was first registered before Feb 01, the date that we thought the S54 production first started. Seeing as the history was a bit vague, I didn't put my money down.

Thanks again for your hard work Jonttt. 8-)
I expect to be referring to that document lots in the future.

Cheers!
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Post by Jonttt » Mon 07 May, 2012 23:19

Interesting re the development cars being sold through dealers.

I think info like this summary adds to the owning experience and the feeling of the rarity of these cars, it can only add to their value in the years to come.

There is more info I can add as it becomes available eg it would be interesting to know which ones have been written off, known mods from standard (mine would have quite a list lol), etc.....
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Post by Gazza » Tue 08 May, 2012 10:24

Alfie wrote:WOW....!


So just 3 with red roofs eh? Oh So Cool!

I knew that RED was originally a press car, but I didn't know that she was the first VIN to actually be sold.
Fascinating!
Alfie
So 'Red' is one of a kind...Imola with Imola/Black interior and Red roof 8-)

Si has the only LSB with LSB/Black interior with Blue roof 8-)

Phil has the only Sapphire Black with Imola/Black interior and Red roof 8-)
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Post by siwilson » Tue 08 May, 2012 11:02

Great info. Well done Jon!

It's such a shame Neil is not around to see it :( He would have loved this.
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Post by Alfie » Tue 08 May, 2012 17:25

Gazza wrote:So 'Red' is one of a kind...Imola with Imola/Black interior and Red roof 8-)
Yep....
That's one of my better chat-up lines.
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Post by Gazza » Tue 08 May, 2012 19:19

Mine is one of a kind too, the only Estoril with Blue/Black interior, Blue hood, Side airbags, top tint screen and Factory supplied Hardtop 8-)
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Post by pingu » Tue 08 May, 2012 19:46

Excellent data. What happened after car LB64037 (Built 25/09/2001)? There was a gap before production restarted on 25/10/2001 with car LB64100.

It would also be nice to see the vehicles that are on the other register, so we can see the gaps. No need to publish names, etc. - a "flag" is all that is required.

Is it worth doing a similar exercise for the UK registered Z1s?
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Post by Jonttt » Tue 08 May, 2012 20:01

We don't know. No obvious logic to it and there was no real change to the production pattern.
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Post by pete59 » Tue 08 May, 2012 21:20

Iam still looking for s54 oxford green,m/legends looking too,they seem to think there maybe just two left on road,but there are possably a few more s50s i am ready to strike when one comes up.

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Post by Adrian77 » Tue 08 May, 2012 23:05

Does anyone know how many S54 M Roadsters are still in existence? There must have been a fair few lost to accidents and other terminal causes over the past decade.

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Post by Jonttt » Tue 08 May, 2012 23:51

I've colour coded the summary sheet to make it easier to spot colours :D

So if you have already downloaded the PDF may be worth you doing it again ;-)
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Post by Brian H » Wed 09 May, 2012 17:10

Has anyone seen or know where the LSB S54s are?

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Post by Jonttt » Wed 09 May, 2012 17:13

Si has one of them ;-)
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Post by Jonttt » Wed 09 May, 2012 17:15

As an update the owner of the next to last car has been in touch.

He was told that the special code on the options list was because it was a BMW prepared show car before being sold on through the BMW network.

I'm not sure what this means in practice or why BMW would produce a show car at the end of the production run but it makes as much sense as anything. It may even be they intended to retain it and something changed.
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Post by siwilson » Wed 09 May, 2012 17:17

Jonttt wrote:Si has one of them ;-)
I do :D
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Post by Brian H » Thu 10 May, 2012 09:18

John,

A little more detail for your spreadsheet, the following Dummy SALAPA codes are shown as having the following descriptions: -

S986A - Deadline Check

S991A - Pre-Series Steering

S995A - Change Ban

Full list below

BMW SA Option Codes

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Post by shantybeater » Thu 10 May, 2012 12:53

Gazza wrote:
Alfie wrote:WOW....!


So just 3 with red roofs eh? Oh So Cool!

I knew that RED was originally a press car, but I didn't know that she was the first VIN to actually be sold.
Fascinating!
Alfie
So 'Red' is one of a kind...Imola with Imola/Black interior and Red roof 8-)

Si has the only LSB with LSB/Black interior with Blue roof 8-)

Phil has the only Sapphire Black with Imola/Black interior and Red roof 8-)
And I'm the only one with titanium silver with imola/black interior and a red roof :)

Thats all the red roofs!
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Post by shantybeater » Thu 10 May, 2012 13:29

Adrian77 wrote:Does anyone know how many S54 M Roadsters are still in existence? There must have been a fair few lost to accidents and other terminal causes over the past decade.
This would be very interesting, could we somehow find out how many are still being taxed/MOT'd? I remember one forum member with a sapphire black & Imola/black interior admitted to writing it off so thats 72 on the road at most!

Failing the above perhaps we could stockpile all the cars we know are still about? e.g. VIN*** Current forum member car, VIN*** last sighted for sale on PH 12/03/12 (you get the idea)
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Post by Jonttt » Fri 11 May, 2012 00:29

Brian H wrote:John,

A little more detail for your spreadsheet, the following Dummy SALAPA codes are shown as having the following descriptions: -

S986A - Deadline Check

S991A - Pre-Series Steering

S995A - Change Ban

Full list below

BMW SA Option Codes

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Brian, thats great info and completes the codes nicely.

S991A has two definitions "co-ordination on pre series" and "Pre series Steering". The first one makes perfect sense as it applies to all 6 development cars.

S986A "dealine check" again makes perfect sense as it applies to the 3 original press cars. I guess as BMW know these are the cars which be photograped the most and shown in every car publication around the world they want to make extra sure the panel lines are spot on. Alfie's should have perfect panel gaps :D

S995A "change ban" applies to the next to last car made and makes sense to what the owner was told re this being a show car ie not allowing anyone to change the spec. It makes me thing even more that BMW had something in mind for this car but ultimately it got sold to the public through the dealer network.

I have updated the Summary sheet to reflect these new descriptions.
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Post by Jonttt » Fri 11 May, 2012 00:42

shantybeater wrote:
Adrian77 wrote:Does anyone know how many S54 M Roadsters are still in existence? There must have been a fair few lost to accidents and other terminal causes over the past decade.
This would be very interesting, could we somehow find out how many are still being taxed/MOT'd? I remember one forum member with a sapphire black & Imola/black interior admitted to writing it off so thats 72 on the road at most!

Failing the above perhaps we could stockpile all the cars we know are still about? e.g. VIN*** Current forum member car, VIN*** last sighted for sale on PH 12/03/12 (you get the idea)
I am happy to add as much detail to the summary as people want. I don't want to add forum names without people permission so if people think its a good idea they can PM me the following details and I will add them:

VIN
Forum Name
Date purchased
Current Mileage (to nearest 1,000)

I will also try to log cars adertised for sale. Sometimes this will be easy to narrow down to VIN by the options fitted and colours but sometimes (such as the currently advertised Estoril one) its could be one of several cars.

I think its worth recording mileage as the coupe guys have just had an example of an ex forum car being clocked (at least 20k knocked off it). I think as more cars head towards 100k and above the temptation for clocking gets greater as an S54 with sub 80k miles is worth a lot more than one with >100k miles in most buyers minds.

If people think its not a good idea then don't give me the info ;-)

Re how many are still on the road if anyone knows a way of accessing a database legally with VINS (MOT records, inurance etc....) then I don't mind spending the time plugging details in. Would need to find a way of accounting for SORNED cars as well though.
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Post by Gazza » Fri 11 May, 2012 11:10

Jonttt wrote: I am happy to add as much detail to the summary as people want. I don't want to add forum names without people permission so if people think its a good idea they can PM me the following details and I will add them:

VIN
Forum Name
Date purchased
Current Mileage (to nearest 1,000)



I think its worth recording mileage as the coupe guys have just had an example of an ex forum car being clocked (at least 20k knocked off it). I think as more cars head towards 100k and above the temptation for clocking gets greater as an S54 with sub 80k miles is worth a lot more than one with >100k miles in most buyers minds.

If people think its not a good idea then don't give me the info ;-)
I think the above info is a great idea, what I would suggest is that the Details provided are kept private by the Admin Team, such as the post re 'opening a locked boot without a key'. Details could then be supplied to members on request.
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Post by xtLSport » Thu 18 Apr, 2013 16:09

Hi guys I have an S54 m Coupe with 86k miles (140.000km) on the clock, but left hand drive in switzerland!
vin number LJ90372, one of the very last, production 24/04/2002 and first registration 24/07/2002

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Post by Gooseacre » Tue 21 Oct, 2014 22:44

So jontt, how many have you traced?

Got stopped in the street the other day by someone admiring my Z3M. He was very keen on buying one - told him mine was an S54 and not for sale! - think he will be after one himself.

Feel good about having a rare car but very interested to hear how many are likely to be out and about.

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Post by Gazza » Wed 22 Oct, 2014 19:43

Too many 0's in your Sig Gooseacre ;)
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Post by Gooseacre » Wed 22 Oct, 2014 19:51

Don't know whether to be impressed for spotting that or concerned that trainspotters have infiltrated the forum!
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Post by Gooseacre » Wed 22 Oct, 2014 19:53

Fixed!
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Post by Gazza » Wed 22 Oct, 2014 19:54

Us S54 owners notice things like that :D
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Post by lisasinden » Sun 07 Dec, 2014 22:48

hi

For your database of BMW Z3M S54.


I have a 2002 BMW Z3M S54.
Reg : G3 LAS (personal)
purchased : 18/04/2012
Vin -LB64125
Estoril Blue (335)
Estoril blue/ Black
Build Date : Mar 2002
Registered :07/06/2002
Mileage - 63850

Love the car to bits, never selling .lol. :lol:

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Post by lisasinden » Tue 03 Feb, 2015 03:36

[hi
Have already registered this one. New reg is G3 LAS.....

regards
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quote="Jonttt"]Neil, another one for you to check with the register

thread HERE

Got the reg off photos : HK02HEL (nice!)

spec as per advert:



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- cruise
- headlight washers[/quote]

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