Do I or dont I improve the performance???
Do I or dont I improve the performance???
Hello Experts,
Bit of input needed....
I dont drive fast anymore but like most of us I do enjoy squeezing the throttle now and again, mine's a 1.9 Z3 1999 and I have already fitted a K&N cone air filter which gives off an improved engine note and was wondering if it was worth getting an engine remap? I have 'Emaps' number ready. Also would swapping the exhaust make any real difference? I dont want it sounding like a spotty virgins saxo though
cheers
buz
Bit of input needed....
I dont drive fast anymore but like most of us I do enjoy squeezing the throttle now and again, mine's a 1.9 Z3 1999 and I have already fitted a K&N cone air filter which gives off an improved engine note and was wondering if it was worth getting an engine remap? I have 'Emaps' number ready. Also would swapping the exhaust make any real difference? I dont want it sounding like a spotty virgins saxo though
cheers
buz
''need I remind you 007, you have a licence to kill...not to break the traffic laws''
like the ols saying: There's no replacement for displacementjayson f wrote:If you like power when you put your foot down sell your 1.9 and get a 2.8 or 3.0 its the way forward
Ferdinand
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BMW 3.0iA Sport Edition 08/2002 - iPod kit, CTEK MXS 7000 batterycharger & Protek Protector Roof Cover ;o)
Range Rover 4.6 V8 HSE 03/2000, Webasto preheater and CTEK MXS 7000 batterycharger
Citroën Xsara 2.0 110 Hdi Prestige hatchback with VTS alloys, Musketier rear spoiler and Webasto preheater
Volvo 144 1.8 B18 09/1967
http://www.zroadster.org
http://www.zroadster.net
http://www.z3-roadster-forum.de
http://www.z3-forum.de
http://www.zroadster.com
If you want more umph every now and then, then you need to go for one of the six cylinders, a 2.2 would suffice. Before we got our 3.0 we did loads of research on the performance of all the models and discarded the 1.8, 1.9 2.0 as they just didnt match up. Only got the 3.0 by chance as we was looking at a 2.2 or 2.8 but we came across ours and it was just to good to miss out on.
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- hornel Z3M
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I fitted a k+n, had a re-map fitted a longlife stainless steel exhaust from cat back, fitted an engine strut brace and my ex 1.9 went like the clappers. But as i couldnt do anymore to it i bought a 3.2
- markrnorton
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erhmmm I seem to remember you wanting a ZM3 as well..... something about getting an excuse to the missus.....TitanTim wrote:Isn't the point of a Roadster to bumble along admiring the scenery, buy a hot hatch if you want more go
Tim.
Ferdinand
BMW 3.0iA Sport Edition 08/2002 - iPod kit, CTEK MXS 7000 batterycharger & Protek Protector Roof Cover ;o)
Range Rover 4.6 V8 HSE 03/2000, Webasto preheater and CTEK MXS 7000 batterycharger
Citroën Xsara 2.0 110 Hdi Prestige hatchback with VTS alloys, Musketier rear spoiler and Webasto preheater
Volvo 144 1.8 B18 09/1967
http://www.zroadster.org
http://www.zroadster.net
http://www.z3-roadster-forum.de
http://www.z3-forum.de
http://www.zroadster.com
BMW 3.0iA Sport Edition 08/2002 - iPod kit, CTEK MXS 7000 batterycharger & Protek Protector Roof Cover ;o)
Range Rover 4.6 V8 HSE 03/2000, Webasto preheater and CTEK MXS 7000 batterycharger
Citroën Xsara 2.0 110 Hdi Prestige hatchback with VTS alloys, Musketier rear spoiler and Webasto preheater
Volvo 144 1.8 B18 09/1967
http://www.zroadster.org
http://www.zroadster.net
http://www.z3-roadster-forum.de
http://www.z3-forum.de
http://www.zroadster.com
In all honesty buzz i wouldnt waste your money...
If your happy with your 1.9 as a cruiser then stick with it. If not you'd be better off spending the extra cash on upgrading to a six cylinder... Z3. im happy with the power of the 2.8 but wouldnt want anything smaller..
If your happy with your 1.9 as a cruiser then stick with it. If not you'd be better off spending the extra cash on upgrading to a six cylinder... Z3. im happy with the power of the 2.8 but wouldnt want anything smaller..
///M Roadster - Evolve Stage 3
- markrnorton
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I think the most you'd see out of the 1.9 on a small budget would be 20-25hp
thats Viscous fan delete, air filter, exhaust, hi-flow cat, big bore throttle body and a re-map (this needs to be done by somebody who knows BMW's as well)
I did a little write up on tuning the m44 on a budget (performance section), sums it up really on experience
anything more starts to cost alot. Unless you S/C it like i did, and that does cost !!!
thats Viscous fan delete, air filter, exhaust, hi-flow cat, big bore throttle body and a re-map (this needs to be done by somebody who knows BMW's as well)
I did a little write up on tuning the m44 on a budget (performance section), sums it up really on experience
anything more starts to cost alot. Unless you S/C it like i did, and that does cost !!!
Still modifying
I asked the same sort of question a couple of weeks ago. After various discussions and pricing the mods etc. I came to the view that to get more power would cost significantly more than selling the current motor and buying a 2.2.
I've convinced myself that for now I'm happy to 'bumble along' as I enjoy the car and if the opportunity arises I'll upgrade.
Taff
I've convinced myself that for now I'm happy to 'bumble along' as I enjoy the car and if the opportunity arises I'll upgrade.
Taff
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With the greatest respect, there are all sorts of replacements for displacement.Ferdinand wrote:like the ols saying: There's no replacement for displacementjayson f wrote:If you like power when you put your foot down sell your 1.9 and get a 2.8 or 3.0 its the way forward
Tuning cars is simple, the more air you push into the engine, and that can get out the other end, the quicker it will go. Cubic capacity is one way, but all these BMW engines are designed to have certain compromises and there is no reason that a 1.9 four can't push more bhp and torque than any of the other stock motors.
With the 1.9 motor we are talking about, I've seen them running the Supercharger from the Mini Cooper, which sounds like a nice little mod, but it would probably require modification to the engine management as well, maybe even a stand alone ECU system. The Exhaust is bin material as well.
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NOS is a company that produces Nitrous Oxide systemsBuz007 wrote:whats NOS???
I'm pretty sure what you mean is 'what is Nitrous Oxide'....
Nitrous (not Nitro, that's different thing altogether..) is used to create more Oxygen in the combusiton chamber, and is held as a liquid gas in a bottle located somewhere in the car. The most common systems inject the Gas along with a measured dose of extra fuel into the inlet manifold, and is triggered by a microswitch on the throttle system somewhere that activates the gas at full throttle.
There is a great deal of nonsense talked about it by the 'fast and Furious' sorts, but if properly engineered it's very useful. It's especially useful in forced induction motors as it cools the intake charge significantly as the splitting of the Oxygen from it's Nitrogen is an endothermic reaction, so allows more boost without risk of detonation, along with the extra BHP in it's own right.
Nitro - Nitromethane, is used by Top Fuel dragsters and is lethal stuff.
I've got to agree with Grommit, you get a bombproof engine, pretty much the same fuel consumption (sort of) and enough grunt to deal with any of your everyday needs! The insurance man doesn't break his pencil over it and the kids love it! Oh yes, it also burbles rather nicely too...
Get in there and try it, you know you want to!
Get in there and try it, you know you want to!
You can pick up an 'M' for a reasonable price these days. You certainly wont be disappointed with the performance. I used to have a 1.9 and i thought that was nippy. Then took an 'M' for a run, and it fell in love. I think it was moment my head snapped into the head rest, from the pull off.
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- hornel Z3M
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Yes i agree, i had a 1.9 and spent money on it to improve performance and enjoyed it, but when i tried the M it was in a different class in handling and certainly power. Never go back to a 1.9.
- sidtheranger
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Buz, to answer your original question remaps are often misunderstood. They are not just baout priducing more BHP (on highly tuned engines like the ///M they don't add much at all) but they are mainly about fine tuning the engines default mapping which by default is set to handle all sorts of conditions / fuel types and more commonly worldwide emission requirements.
a good remap fine tunes out the "uneeded" tolerance built into the default map to make it more sutable for UK requirements (eg fuel, emissions, etc...) so you are more likely to see improved fuel consumption and "perceived" more power from the change in mapping through the gears (ie giveing more torque in a given gear/revs).
The important think is that the remap has been tried and tested on your engine from a company that specialises in BMW's. One of the benefits of these "older" engines now is that others have paid in the past to have all that testing etc done and so an "old off the shlef" proven remap is easy money for a company and so they should be able to offer the remap at a discount. The best remappers also offer before and after dyno runs (but as I say its not all about extra BHP). A good remap should improve the driving experience and may well give you better MPG as well.
I would expect to pay £200-£300 for a proven off the shelf remap with dyno runs for your car especially if your flexible with times and fit it into their slack periods.
nb don't fall for the "live" remaps you see advertised for this sort of money. Live rempas are for heavily modified cars as an off the shelf remap is no good for them and a bespoke "live" remap needs to be written which by its very nature is very time consuming and thus expensive. Most "live" remaps advertised for <£700 are off the shelf ones.
Remaps are a difficult one as you could easily spend £300 and feel/percieve no difference so you really need to find an experienced BMW remapper fiarly local who knows his stuff and you can talk through with.
When I had me first ///M remapped I travel across the country to Evolve as they are one of the most respected BMW remappers and it was well worthe the trouble.
a good remap fine tunes out the "uneeded" tolerance built into the default map to make it more sutable for UK requirements (eg fuel, emissions, etc...) so you are more likely to see improved fuel consumption and "perceived" more power from the change in mapping through the gears (ie giveing more torque in a given gear/revs).
The important think is that the remap has been tried and tested on your engine from a company that specialises in BMW's. One of the benefits of these "older" engines now is that others have paid in the past to have all that testing etc done and so an "old off the shlef" proven remap is easy money for a company and so they should be able to offer the remap at a discount. The best remappers also offer before and after dyno runs (but as I say its not all about extra BHP). A good remap should improve the driving experience and may well give you better MPG as well.
I would expect to pay £200-£300 for a proven off the shelf remap with dyno runs for your car especially if your flexible with times and fit it into their slack periods.
nb don't fall for the "live" remaps you see advertised for this sort of money. Live rempas are for heavily modified cars as an off the shelf remap is no good for them and a bespoke "live" remap needs to be written which by its very nature is very time consuming and thus expensive. Most "live" remaps advertised for <£700 are off the shelf ones.
Remaps are a difficult one as you could easily spend £300 and feel/percieve no difference so you really need to find an experienced BMW remapper fiarly local who knows his stuff and you can talk through with.
When I had me first ///M remapped I travel across the country to Evolve as they are one of the most respected BMW remappers and it was well worthe the trouble.