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Post by diametric123 » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 12:03

Hi there

Have taken a shine to a Z1 and am therefore thinking of selling my S54 Roadster.

I own GY51AJO, which is a Sep 2001 registered Phoenix Yellow on Black Nappa. Current mileage is 60000 with a combination of main dealer maintenance and then a single West Country performance car specialist for the past 7 years. Car is currently stored in a temperature control garage.

Detailed extras are:
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812 UK specification
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674 Harman Kardon hifi
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818 battery switch

I've been offered a decent sum by one of the specialist BMW dealers - what do people think its worth? - anyone interested in a first peek?

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Post by chill4x4saph » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 13:00

going off the current prices, got to be over £22k private?!?!..., probably up around £25k-£27k in a dealers ?!?!?!,......., after all it is one of the 73!!..., the rarest of all the z3 variants.... (not to mention ALL bmw's)

I certainly wouldn't be letting it go for less than £20k if I where you.

that's is my opinion.
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Post by Del » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 14:21

Hi & welcome
diametric123 wrote:what do people think its worth?

Was hoping you might tell us :D

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Post by Badman gee » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 16:30

I would say 20k plus when looking at all the others for sale.
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Post by chill4x4saph » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 17:00

Del wrote:Hi & welcome
diametric123 wrote:what do people think its worth?

Was hoping you might tell us :D
I concur!! :D :D :D :D

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Post by Julie Z3 » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 17:09

It's amazing that just last year a member here had his Phoenix yellowcS54 on here for sale and on ebay (maybe even this one) ? and as far as I remember it didn't even get to 8 grand.
How I regret not finding a way to purchasing this at the time, as much as I enjoy my 2.8 as a daily driver I would love to own an M but with current prices that seem to be inflated by the main dealers this looks very unlikely to happen now.

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Post by chill4x4saph » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 17:14

Julie Z3 wrote:It's amazing that just last year a member here had his Phoenix yellowcS54 on here for sale and on ebay (maybe even this one) ? and as far as I remember it didn't even get to 8 grand.
How I regret not finding a way to purchasing this at the time, as much as I enjoy my 2.8 as a daily driver I would love to own an M but with current prices that seem to be inflated by the main dealers this looks very unlikely to happen now.
wasn't that one well up on the miles though?!?..., not that it really matters as they can handle high miles, however it seems to be the ones that are sub 75k that are in the higher price range (with coupes as well as roadys)

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Post by pingu » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 18:19

There's an S50 that's done 116,000 for sale at £13,985 :shock: . It has to be worth a wee bit more than this :roll: .
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Post by Badman gee » Sat 14 Mar, 2015 19:00

They are all worth a good amount.

I agree, people may have missed the boat.
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Post by shantybeater » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 11:56

Can't believe what has happened to the prices of these! Glad the car is finally getting some recognition I just wish I hadn't sold mine when I did! They have literally doubled in two~ years
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Post by Badman gee » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 15:43

shantybeater wrote:Can't believe what has happened to the prices of these! Glad the car is finally getting some recognition I just wish I hadn't sold mine when I did! They have literally doubled in two~ years
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Post by shantybeater » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 15:56

Just replied to your PM Mark :)
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Post by Jonttt » Tue 17 Mar, 2015 21:39

shantybeater wrote:Can't believe what has happened to the prices of these! Glad the car is finally getting some recognition I just wish I hadn't sold mine when I did! They have literally doubled in two~ years
Should have put your feet in both camps, welcome back :wink:

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Post by Althulas » Wed 18 Mar, 2015 23:36

I wonder if mine would having a rebuilt engine add or take way value?
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Post by shantybeater » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 13:40

Jonttt wrote:
shantybeater wrote:Can't believe what has happened to the prices of these! Glad the car is finally getting some recognition I just wish I hadn't sold mine when I did! They have literally doubled in two~ years
Should have put your feet in both camps, welcome back :wink:

I still keep my hand on here but not as much fun as winding up the 996 guys............but don't tell them :wink:
I would have if it was possible! Miss my old Z but at least my bro still has the s50.

Hah, I have seen a few threads related to engine failure with your name on, its a shame about the n/a 996, I used to hate the look of narrow bodied cars but they are aging quite well, if the engines weren't so temperamental i'd quite fancy a c2 or similar in its basic form. They look rather elegant in todays 'bigger is better' world
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Post by shantybeater » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 13:41

Althulas wrote:I wonder if mine would having a rebuilt engine add or take way value?
With proof of work by a known specialist I suspect it would add some value.
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Post by Jonttt » Thu 19 Mar, 2015 17:25

shantybeater wrote:
Jonttt wrote:
shantybeater wrote:Can't believe what has happened to the prices of these! Glad the car is finally getting some recognition I just wish I hadn't sold mine when I did! They have literally doubled in two~ years
Should have put your feet in both camps, welcome back :wink:

I still keep my hand on here but not as much fun as winding up the 996 guys............but don't tell them :wink:
I would have if it was possible! Miss my old Z but at least my bro still has the s50.

Hah, I have seen a few threads related to engine failure with your name on, its a shame about the n/a 996, I used to hate the look of narrow bodied cars but they are aging quite well, if the engines weren't so temperamental i'd quite fancy a c2 or similar in its basic form. They look rather elegant in todays 'bigger is better' world
Temperamental, spoken like a diplomat, I'm not very diplomatic :lol:
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Post by diametric123 » Sun 22 Mar, 2015 21:48

I ended up posting it on PH for £23950 - I guess the market will decide whether this is too high, too low or just about right!

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Post by gookah » Sun 22 Mar, 2015 22:08

pingu wrote:There's an S50 that's done 116,000 for sale at £13,985 :shock: . It has to be worth a wee bit more than this :roll: .


and one S50 that just sold for £7500 on another thread
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Post by 911sc » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 07:45

I posted about a car I went to have a look at in Devon only a year or so ago. I was just being nosey as I'd already bought mine by then. It was at a Lotus specialist in Lifton and the asking price was £11495. This looks like the same car! Will be a good test of how far the "market" has moved if the OP gets his price!

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Post by Jonttt » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:06

gookah wrote:
pingu wrote:There's an S50 that's done 116,000 for sale at £13,985 :shock: . It has to be worth a wee bit more than this :roll: .


and one S50 that just sold for £7500 on another thread
Yep and it sold too quickly despite the worst advert you could do as everything thought it was a scam.......it was too cheap = real bargain. So your point was ?

I'm not saying S54,s are worth £20k or not, to be honest I have no idea but I would not let mine go for less which is all that matters to me. The seller seems to have his head screwed on, the market will decide. To imply it's worth £7500 is simply bad advice IMHO
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Post by Badman gee » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:10

Your right Jon.

I wouldn't sell mine for less than 20k either,

It's in as new condition.

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Post by Jonttt » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:12

911sc wrote:I posted about a car I went to have a look at in Devon only a year or so ago. I was just being nosey as I'd already bought mine by then. It was at a Lotus specialist in Lifton and the asking price was £11495. This looks like the same car! Will be a good test of how far the "market" has moved if the OP gets his price!
No doubt, but it has shocked me how much the Z3m market and S54 in particular has moved on in 12 months. No doubt driven by dealers but they have caught onto the fact these are rare cars which look better and better as time goes buy with real potential to be one classics, they have all the ingredients. The gap between ///M and none ///M Z3s will widen in terms of value IMHO and S54s will command a bigger and bigger premium as awareness of a very rare BMW within an already rare car becomes better understood. Rarity and perceived desirability will always drive value. Some cars just have more of the right ingredients.

I've seen it time and again, there will be a period when value is just hard to judge and prices will be relatively all over the place = classic rising fast paced rising market.
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Post by Z3cade » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:16

BMG yours is full of mice nests and rat turds where it's been sat in the garage too long :D
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Post by Badman gee » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:17

Yes but it's worth it
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Post by Z3cade » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:18

Badman gee wrote:Yes but it's worth it
True ;)
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Post by Badman gee » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:18

I think the M is such a good looking car, very few beat it for looks.
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Post by gookah » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:37

Jonttt wrote:
gookah wrote:
pingu wrote:There's an S50 that's done 116,000 for sale at £13,985 :shock: . It has to be worth a wee bit more than this :roll: .


and one S50 that just sold for £7500 on another thread
Yep and it sold too quickly despite the worst advert you could do as everything thought it was a scam.......it was too cheap = real bargain. So your point was ?

I'm not saying S54,s are worth £20k or not, to be honest I have no idea but I would not let mine go for less which is all that matters to me. The seller seems to have his head screwed on, the market will decide. To imply it's worth £7500 is simply bad advice IMHO
My point is that this thread seems to be preaching to the converted..... all the M owners on this thread are saying how much they think the cars should be selling for, and pointing out what the garages are asking for them, however in real life the one sold was not anywhere near those amounts.
Perhaps that why his is sold and the others are still on the forecourt.
If you didn't already own one, would you actually pay these new amounts, I don't think anyone would, which is a different ball game altogether than already having one and summising what you would personally think it's worth to you.
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Post by Badman gee » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 19:40

There has been a couple of cars sold for 20k plus.

One recently went for a little less.

They haven't reached there peak yet. Give it 5 more years or so.
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Post by chill4x4saph » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 20:36

a 50K estoril s54 came up for sale last year not long after I bought mine, it just so happens that it was only 5 miles away from me. it was up for £12k, as soon as i saw the advert (Monday) I rang the fella, he told me it was away till Wednesday getting valeted (as it happens this was later confirmed to be the truth as my mates mate was the valeter!!), anyway he told me that it was in exactly as good condition as it should be, sounded like a genuine chap, so I said if it was 95% as good as described id give him his asking price, he told me he'd ring me as soon as it was back.
on the Wednesday morning I get a call from him, telling me that he'd had 15 other people after it, 2 of which were main dealers, and that as I had been the first caller he was giving me first refusal!!.., with one caveat!!.., that I had to give £14k to own it as that was the offer he had had from another buyer!, he also told me that he didn't want to have a "dutch auction" with the car, to which I replied that he already was!, needless to say I didn't go through with the purchase (primarily as I wasn't sure if he was just trying it on), the car was bought and collected on that Wednesday!! that was pretty much exactly a year ago.

low miles, unmolested cars have been actually quite steadily going up for at least a year now (along with pretty much everything with four wheels that's a little bit special!), im repeating myself a bit as ive said before that quite a few people in the know have for years predicted that m roadsters would appreciate!!..., the thing im finding most unbelievable is a few peoples surprise now as they actually are!!!!...., (especially on a z3 forum!!?!?!?!)

oh and for the record, if I didn't already have one, id be willing to pay £20k (maybe more) for a PROPER unmolested car.
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Post by Z3cade » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 20:39

I was told mine was over priced 6 months ago at 10.5k would be opposite now hey :lol:
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Post by Badman gee » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 21:47

Liam, yours was a cracker and its a shame it's not on the forum anymore.
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Post by Jonttt » Mon 23 Mar, 2015 22:39

Lol been through exact scenario with the 993 over the past 2 years, dealers will sell these cars AND keep the advert live as it brings in enquiries. There have been certain 993's for sale for months on pistonheads and every now and again someone uses them as an example of how they are overpriced, when it's pointed out the car sold within a day they go quite.

I'm not saying it's the same with Z3ms ......yet but don't assume a car for sale is still for sale on pistonheads :wink:

The most common advert for 993s are now wanted ads, I can see the Z3m going the same way, coupe especially and S54s definately.
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Post by peterandjenny » Thu 21 May, 2015 23:22

Going to see this car as it is up for sale at silverstone on Saturday going to be out of my range but should be a good day out . They charge 17% plus vat as a sellers fee!

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Post by Renaud » Fri 22 May, 2015 10:41

Let us know how it goes at Silverstone. I had also planned to take a trip up there, but family duties have taken priority!

Will be interesting to see what an S54 goes for at auction, as there are a few that come up for sale at various price points, but its not always clear what they actually sell for in the end.

Having said that, this one ( https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/200 ... 9-roadster ) does look nice, at least from the pictures and description.

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Post by peterandjenny » Fri 22 May, 2015 11:09

That is the OP's car

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Post by Alfie » Fri 22 May, 2015 18:02

We watch with baited breath.....

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Post by johnz3 » Fri 22 May, 2015 19:43

That is the OP's car

What does OP refer to please

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johnz3 wrote:That is the OP's car

What does OP refer to please

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Post by johnz3 » Fri 22 May, 2015 20:07

Ok. Thanks.

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Post by bena80 » Sat 23 May, 2015 16:10

Car sold for 17500 plus buyers premium of 12.5% which is subject to vat. This puts it virtually bang on £20k

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bena80 wrote:Car sold for 17500 plus buyers premium of 12.5% which is subject to vat. This puts it virtually bang on £20k
Did you see what the coupe went for?

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Post by mnbrennan » Sat 23 May, 2015 20:28

32500 plus premium according to z3mcoupe.com

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Post by bena80 » Sat 23 May, 2015 20:43

I may be mistaken but thought coupe made 35k plus premium.

####correction.....yes coupe made £32.5k plus premium

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Post by Brian H » Mon 25 May, 2015 08:00

Thanks Guys :shock:

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Post by Phil » Tue 26 May, 2015 09:20

Extract from the Auction site -


Registration: GY51 AJO

Chassis Number: WBSCL92040LB64027

Engine Number: 60662528

Number of cylinders: 6

CC: 3246

Year of Manufacture: 2001

Estimate (£): 18,000 - 22,000

Sold for (£): 19,690
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Post by bena80 » Tue 26 May, 2015 18:44

Strange that all the cars sold prices include the base buyers premium but not the vat element on the premium....any ideas why?

17500 hammer price +
2187.50 buyers premium

Totals 19690 but I reckon buyer had to pay another 430 vat on top.......

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Post by Brian H » Tue 26 May, 2015 21:28

Could be they just choose to show prices ex VAT, it seeems cheaper to future buyers that do not read the small print?

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