Flat spot and pinking cured
Flat spot and pinking cured
After ages looking and trying to get my head around this, today i decided to remove the intake manifold and check every thing.
There is a lot of info on the internet regarding pinking and flat spots but nothing i found pointed to my discovery.
Hidden at the back of the manifold, behind the dip stick area are three ports into the manifold, two small an one larger and on mine, were all blanked off or should have been.
The larger of the blanks was in place but badly perished and obviously leaking air. This would result in unmetered air giving a weak mixture resulting in pinking and flat spot.
A temporary repair was carried out for now.
The interesting thing is that the result wasnt instant. The pinking went immediately but the flat spot took a while to improve, 30-40 miles.
i guess that is to do with the 'learning' process of the ecu ?
There is a lot of info on the internet regarding pinking and flat spots but nothing i found pointed to my discovery.
Hidden at the back of the manifold, behind the dip stick area are three ports into the manifold, two small an one larger and on mine, were all blanked off or should have been.
The larger of the blanks was in place but badly perished and obviously leaking air. This would result in unmetered air giving a weak mixture resulting in pinking and flat spot.
A temporary repair was carried out for now.
The interesting thing is that the result wasnt instant. The pinking went immediately but the flat spot took a while to improve, 30-40 miles.
i guess that is to do with the 'learning' process of the ecu ?
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
^^^good info, perished rubber hoses etc. are becoming a common source of problems.
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Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Excellent revelation ! the info should be included into the Knowledge base as a "check here first before replacing MAF'S / Sensors etc".... A small item like that could go undetected and cost a bomb on other possibilities without getting to the root of the problem.
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Hi Gordon13
I've just checked mine and found a very similar hair line split ..........I owe you a pint
Have you had a chance to find out the OEM part number and the price yet?
Many thanks for taking the trouble to make us all aware
I've just checked mine and found a very similar hair line split ..........I owe you a pint
Have you had a chance to find out the OEM part number and the price yet?
Many thanks for taking the trouble to make us all aware
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Mine was exactly the same, full length crack and it was just about holding onto the peg.
A quick and temporary fix with black insulation tape wrapped round several times and
it is a very snug fit back on.
A quick and temporary fix with black insulation tape wrapped round several times and
it is a very snug fit back on.
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Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Glad im not the only one and its a pleasure to be of some help
part number is 11611727176 although this may have been superseded, haven't tried ordering one yet.
I'm hoping that the scenario will be thus :
extra unmetered air results in a weak mixture and piking
The ecu 'sees' this from the ping sensors and try's to rectify it by retarding the ignition and altering the cam timing.
So, if the pinkning was still evident when running with the air leak then the ecu must have done all it could to eliminate it and be running as de-tuned as possible, therefore as it relearns the current parameters I should see a marked increase in perfomance
Thats how I think it works any way !!
part number is 11611727176 although this may have been superseded, haven't tried ordering one yet.
I'm hoping that the scenario will be thus :
extra unmetered air results in a weak mixture and piking
The ecu 'sees' this from the ping sensors and try's to rectify it by retarding the ignition and altering the cam timing.
So, if the pinkning was still evident when running with the air leak then the ecu must have done all it could to eliminate it and be running as de-tuned as possible, therefore as it relearns the current parameters I should see a marked increase in perfomance
Thats how I think it works any way !!
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Not clear - but in contrast to the pic in RealOEM the manifold on my M44 looks completely different and does not have the same structure with the nipples underneath and PN#7
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpar ... Id=13_1733
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpar ... Id=13_1733
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Sorry, should have made it clear in the first post, this is on an m54 .
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
No problem with you. Realoem shows that the M44 also has that bung - but in reality I don't.
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Interesting thread. Thanks for sharing this. Just checked mine and it is split.
Insulating tape ok for now.
I think I've found the part on RealOEM but it's greyed out. Possibly no longer available?
I think it's number 9 on this diagram.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpar ... Id=11_6225
Mark
Insulating tape ok for now.
I think I've found the part on RealOEM but it's greyed out. Possibly no longer available?
I think it's number 9 on this diagram.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpar ... Id=11_6225
Mark
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Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
If it's greyed out, than means (in theory) it doesn't apply to your car. Real Oem uses the same diagram for different applications/markets, but only lists the components that are relevant to your chassis number.
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
BladeRunner919 wrote:If it's greyed out, than means (in theory) it doesn't apply to your car. Real Oem uses the same diagram for different applications/markets, but only lists the components that are relevant to your chassis number.
"in theory"
The link is from a search based in my car's chassis number and I can assure you that the split rubber bung is definitely on the car.
I removed it, taped it up and put it back this morning.
If anyone has the part number can you let me know please?
Cheers
Mark
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Try items 15 and 17 on this link
http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/Z3-Ro ... ld_system/
Which gives 11 61 1 727 176 for the big one 7mm and 11 61 1 437 560 for the small one 3.5mm.
http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/Z3-Ro ... ld_system/
Which gives 11 61 1 727 176 for the big one 7mm and 11 61 1 437 560 for the small one 3.5mm.
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Re: Flat spot and pinking cured
Thanks TWO for the part number and Gordon for highlighting this. Checked mine last night and it looked just like yours TWO. Until I get one ordered I used superglue to join the splits together and the wrapped in tape, made a much snugger fit going back on than when it came off. In fact it came off that easy I dropped it and must have bounced up of the floor and ledged between the sump and chassis brace. Took me ages to find it.
Brian
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2015 F21 118i
3.0I Topaz Blue
2000 E36/7 Z3 3.0i
2016 F31 335d
2015 F21 118i