Becker GP7992 or Alpine 9882Ri

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Becker GP7992 or Alpine 9882Ri

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Hi guys. I need an opinion before I buy. I am wanting to change my stock head unit for an iPod connection unit. The becker 7992 http://www.sextonsdirect.co.uk/bluetoot ... P7992.html has been mentioned on this forum a lot. however it comes in with a big price tag at £324.98 with the connection lead. Compare this with an Alpine 9882Ri http://www.sextonsdirect.co.uk/ipod_rea ... tml?cat=20 at £142.90.

I do not mind paying the extra if the sound quality is worth it. I like the stock looks of the Becker. I can say the alpine sounds good as I had one in my last car. Works well with the iPhone too (but not calls as bluetooth is an add on).

I have upgraded my front speakers in preparation to Infinity 5.25" Ref mid/woofers and tweeter components. Then 4" Infinity Kappa in the rear.

Can any one shed some light on the best choice please. :?
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I have just fitted a becker cascade which is basically the same unit plus sat nav build in. I bought an 18 month old unit off eBay at about 50% of the price you would pay on the web.

I also bought the iPOD interface for £70 (cheapest I could find on the net).

To say I am chuffed with the Becker is an understatement. The sound quality has improved tenfold over the stock unit that was in before. (I am still running standard speakers).

Bluetooth is excellent, synchs with my Nokia 6500 without a hitch and call quality is as good as on my top of the range Merc unit. The only down side is that you have to manually bluetooth over contact details to the unit one by one. It does not automatically download all of your phone book as my Merc does.

The iPod interface is the best I have ever used. Full playlist, album, etc... control from the head unit. It is just like having your iPod in your hand. You can easily run the interface cable into the glove box through the latch hole without any drilling at all (I had to remove the latch to get the head of the interface cable through and then reattach). I leave an old (version 2 I think) ipod in the glove box which will not charge as battery is knackered and it works like a dream.

I have not fitted a head unit for over 10 years but I fully wired in the Cascade incl GPS antenna/phone speaker/iPod interface in 30 minutes. It was a doddle.

I can't comment on the Alpine unit but I really do think the Becker unit is worth the money. Personally I don't like my dash to look like Blackpool illuminations (but I am getting old :D ). The Becker really does look the buisiness, blends in perfectly and does not shout "nick me".

Why don't you look on eBay, you could get the indeanapolis unit (same but has sat nav) for the same money or less (one went for £170 last week). Make sure the unit is under 2 years old and you get the original sales receipt /delivery note and Becker will honor the 2 year warranty (I have this in writing from Becker). Try and get the red display as this matches the Z3 dash the best. Also check software is v3.6 or higher else may not work with iPod interface. Mine is v3.61. The latest version is v4. Therefore my map is probably 2 years old but for the saving I can live with that. (Its £170 to get the latest software and maps so bare that in mind). Obviously make sure you get all cables (microphone, GPS antenna) and security code with it (its on a credit card). The manuals can be downloaded from the Becker site.

How do you rate the speaker? Where they easy to fit? Would you get the same ones in hindsight? I may look at upgrading in the summer
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Becker are class, but £££s. I have a basic Alpine unit or the iPOD connection, but I would certainly go for a basic Becker over an advanced Alpine at the same money.
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This one looks good, original box etc... 6 months old indeanapolis currently at £50 but reserve not met.

I don't think you will get it at that but may be worth bidding on. I would ask the buyer if he can provide the original sales receipt or delivery note so the warranty will still be valid for 18 months.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BECKER-Indianapol ... 240%3A1318
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I thought buying the Becker Grand Prix radio for and shutting up after a while ... Some questions however:
1. It gives an outpout of "only" 4 x 30 Watt, wouldn't I need an extra amplifier behind ?
2. Can you also connect a non-iPod MP3 player such as a Creative Zen via USB cable providing the same connection and use facilities ?
Can somebody provide answer(s) ? Tx
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Becker Grand Prix 7992 again ... corrected

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I thought buying the Becker Grand Prix radio for my Z1 replacing an older Blaupunkt (London) too difficult to operate and shutting up after a while ... Some questions however:

1. It gives an output of "only" 4 x 30 Watt, wouldn't I need an extra amplifier behind ? e.g. 4 x 70 Watts extra + Subwoofer ?
2. Can you also connect a non-iPod MP3 player such as a Creative Zen via USB cable providing the same connection and use facilities ?

Can somebody provide answer(s) ? Tx
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1. 4x30W will be at a much lower THD than the cheaper brands. I should think 4x70W at 0.1%THD would be too much current for the car's wiring. (Say Class AB would be about 50% efficient so that would be 46.6A@12V)
If you want big bass then yes you will need a subwoofer and amplifier, and the Becker would be run at line level, and would be an excellent source unit.
2. The USB enabled head units with a USB MP3 player will give you very basic and awkward folder-based navigation only. If you don't like iTunes you can use winamp to manage your iPod. I do not know if the Zen is supported.


Edit: maybe these new 70W head units are Class D? or one of the exotic classes? I'm sure an expert will be along shortly.
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jonttt wrote:This one looks good, original box etc... 6 months old indeanapolis currently at £50 but reserve not met.

I don't think you will get it at that but may be worth bidding on. I would ask the buyer if he can provide the original sales receipt or delivery note so the warranty will still be valid for 18 months.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BECKER-Indianapol ... 240%3A1318
Thanks everyone for all your opinions. I will get the becker. As for the one on ebay. That is the unit I would like, however it is green illumination (7953). I would like red (7952).

I will just have to keep my eyes peeled. :wink:

Thanks again for all your input. :)
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Good choice, I have the becker 7932 (red), I got a great deal on ebay... it's as new... the only downside to my model is that it doesn't include the bluetooth connectivity - that would've been perfect for me! Still, MP3 compatability and OEM aesthetics do me fine!
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jonttt wrote:I have just fitted a becker cascade which is basically the same unit plus sat nav build in. I bought an 18 month old unit off eBay at about 50% of the price you would pay on the web.
I am looking at a GPS/CD/Radio system similar to this, that apparantly needs to be connected to some sort of 'speed sense' cable to inform the system of the cars speed, and allows the Sat Nav to function correctly. Does the Z already have this in place or does it need to be retrofitted?
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Z3_TJK wrote:I am looking at a GPS/CD/Radio system similar to this, that apparantly needs to be connected to some sort of 'speed sense' cable to inform the system of the cars speed, and allows the Sat Nav to function correctly. Does the Z already have this in place or does it need to be retrofitted?
It is called the GAL signal and is on pin 10. You don't really need it unless you plan to drive in tunnels all day, nor do you need the reverse lead.

Pin No. / Function

1 / Speaker - Front Left (+)
2 / Speaker - Front Right (+)
3 / Speaker - Rear Left (+)
4 / Telephone Mute
5 / +12v from ignition (ACC and RUN)
6 / Speaker - Rear Right (+)
7 / DAC - i-bus
8 / Speaker - Front Left (-)
9 / Back Up (?) (terminal 30 - Fuse F56)
10 / GAL - speed signal
11 / Speaker Front Right (-)
12 / Speaker Rear Left (-)
13 / Nighttime Illumination Signal
14 / Speaker Rear Right (-)
15 / Ground
16 / Auto Antenna - diversity
17 / Not Used (LAC)
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I echo what estocks says.

Only needed if need more accurate "out of GPS" readings such as tunnels.

I have only used the unit for a couple of small trips since fitting and the Nav goes through a "calibration" routine (records lateral movements to cross reference to GPS co-ordinates presumably to know when you have gone round bends?) It has only just finished this after about 20 miles of driving. I must say even whilst "calibrating" was spot on and as accurate as any good sat nav I have used in the past.

I presume it would use the reverse sensor again to know for certain that you where going backwards. A good GPS signal will confirm OK for most scenarios so not worth worrying about. You tell the unit in the setting that these sensors are not fitted. If you think about it all "after market" removable sat navs such as Tom Tom work just fine without these sensors (I'm not sure if they have a lateral movement sensor?). Also come to think about it I don't know if my factory fit units have speed / reverse sensors. If they do can't say they seem any more accurate but I hardley ever go through tunnels :D
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GAL signal on BMWs is used to increase the volume as the speed increases.
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siwilson wrote:GAL signal on BMWs is used to increase the volume as the speed increases.
I think on BMW's it uses the final drive position sensor, the same used for the speedo.

As a magnet whips round on the gearbox final drive, it passes a Hall device and creates a PWM based speed signal.
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siwilson wrote:GAL signal on BMWs is used to increase the volume as the speed increases.
I think on BMW's it uses the final drive position sensor, the same used for the speedo.

As a magnet whips round on the gearbox final drive, it passes a Hall device and creates a PWM based speed signal.
Possibly, I have no idea where the signal comes form, all I know is that when attached to the atock radio it is used to increase volume as speed increases.
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Does that mean there is a speed sensor in my Z3m mmmmmm. I removed the stock radio without really testing it for volumes increase with speed. I just connected a conversion block to the back of the Becker unit. If pin 10 is a GAL signal and wired in then it should work on the Becker :dunce: I think I turned the setting off on the Becker thinking there was no GAL signal. I have had to adjust volume manually temporarily when on the motorway. I guess I should check if the wire is there for pin 10 and turn the setting on it it is :idea: This should give me auto volume increases and I know where I am in a tunnel :wink:
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jonttt wrote:D-reame
How do you rate the speaker? Where they easy to fit? Would you get the same ones in hindsight? I may look at upgrading in the summer
Well I now have a new Becker 7992 with iPod interface. I can say I am very impressed with the sound of this unit. It powers the speakers a lot better than the factory unit. As for the Becker, well lets just say I am more than happy. It works with my iPhone 3G with no problems. It does tell me it is not charging but works like a charm. As does the bluetooth with the same said phone.

So there you have it. A nice simple but elegant install. Thanks to all for your good advise. :D
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You don't hang about :wink:

See you couldn't wait for a 2nd hand one :lol:

Out of interest was there a speed sensor wire on pin 10 as described in previous replies? If so did you get it working with the Becker?

I can't check mine for a week or so as its just gone into BMW for the rear diff bracket to be fixed.
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jonttt wrote:D-reame

You don't hang about :wink:

See you couldn't wait for a 2nd hand one :lol:

Out of interest was there a speed sensor wire on pin 10 as described in previous replies? If so did you get it working with the Becker?

I can't check mine for a week or so as its just gone into BMW for the rear diff bracket to be fixed.
Hi Jonett. Well I watched a couple go and decided for the extra £50 I wanted to ensure it had the latest firmware. I am using an iPhone 3G and wanted to ensure it would work (which it does flawlessly). As for the pin ten. I will get back to you on that. I just plugged it in and did not really take much notice. I'll pop it out and have a look this afternoon. :wink:

Very very please with it. :D
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Cheers mate. I'm away until Tuesday (the misses is making me take her to some cottage in the middle of nowhere, no laptop, internet, works mobile, sky, xbox for 4 days :bawl: )

I chuffed you like the unit. I don't like recommending things, especially when they are not cheap, unless I'm 100% sure they are worth the money.
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jonttt wrote:D-reame

Cheers mate. I'm away until Tuesday (the misses is making me take her to some cottage in the middle of nowhere, no laptop, internet, works mobile, sky, xbox for 4 days :bawl: )

I chuffed you like the unit. I don't like recommending things, especially when they are not cheap, unless I'm 100% sure they are worth the money.
LOL. You have a good weekend! :wink:

Hope you survive without your toys. Thanks again for the good advise. 8-)
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jonttt wrote:D-reame
Out of interest was there a speed sensor wire on pin 10 as described in previous replies? If so did you get it working with the Becker?
Ok. I checked mine and as I suspected PIN 10 on the ISO/BMW connecter was not present. I made sure that it was there on the original BMW side (Black/White wire).

I then made an additional wire for the harness. This connects PIN 10 to PIN 1 (power connector side not speaker side) on the Becker.

All now works well. The volume automatically raises when the car reaches about 40 mph. :)
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Fantastic :idea:

Thanks eStocks for the original diagram and D-reame for confirming how to get it to work.

Once I get my car back will wire it up as well :D
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Well got my car back yesturday and had chance today to fit the extra wire from the GAL.

Works a treat, audio now automatically adjusts volume depending on speed :D
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jonttt wrote:Works a treat, audio now automatically adjusts volume depending on speed :D
I agree. It works a treat! It only takes about an hour to do (with a few cuppas in between) :lol:

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