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shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Sat 11 Dec, 2010 11:36

I've come to my senses! please remove admin!

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Sat 11 Dec, 2010 12:09

Dicanio · Post by **Dicanio** » Sat 11 Dec, 2010 18:43

No price Shanty

TitanTim · Post by **TitanTim** » Sat 11 Dec, 2010 19:57

Don't do it

What could be more intersting

Tim.

hornel Z3M · Post by **hornel Z3M** » Sun 12 Dec, 2010 09:44

Unless there is something you don`t like about the car,
like your old one nearly keeping up with you

then keep it, you will be sorry in the summer

Dolfan · Post by **Dolfan** » Sun 12 Dec, 2010 11:17

Come on Shanty don't leave us in suspense what's the interesting car?

Not the ideal time of year to sell as you know so must be something special for you to give up the S54

I'm waiting until the spring and looking to go American

Good luck with the sale

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Sun 12 Dec, 2010 13:19

zei220 · Post by **zei220** » Sun 12 Dec, 2010 14:14

whats the price? Please

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Sun 12 Dec, 2010 17:45

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 18:27

Now on PH http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2333477.htm

Jonttt · Post by **Jonttt** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 19:58

mmmm you know the risks well of highlighting adverts on a specialist forum (ie they will get picked to pieces

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Most of the S54 changes you list actually applied from 04/99 S50 cars (eg roof soundproofing, 2 stage airbag, etc....) and so are not S54 exclusive

Also I know you got the bearing shells replaced but given it was generally accepted the ones removed from your car actaully looked fine and did not need replacing don't you think the comment "If you take the risk (ie of not replacing them) you are running a high chance of complete engine failure" is over the top

after all the vast majority of S54 engined cars have had absolutely no problems with these

ps so far as I'm aware the problem was not that they were inferior quality as you suggest but rather they were made with too small a tolerance ie it could be argued they were made too well

The common thought is that those cars not affected by now won't be as the shells have bedded in. I actually think you've over played the bearing shells in the advert in any case and are in danger of putting more people off ? (ps its makes no odds to me as mine have been done

)

Good luck with the sale though, I'm intrigued whats made you put it up for sale but appreciate you want to keep it under your hat for now

TitanTim · Post by **TitanTim** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 20:49

Well, all I will say is don't sell the Zed and find you get passed by one on the motorway and decide you want another aka 321bhp

Tim.

Jonttt · Post by **Jonttt** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 20:52

Tim, Perfect for you.............

TitanTim · Post by **TitanTim** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 21:07

Jonttt wrote:Tim, Perfect for you.............

Think I will start a waif and strays Z3 collection

Tim.

Ian Kelly · Post by **Ian Kelly** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 21:24

If you do sell the car and the purchaser doesn't want the strut brace I'm interested but not at £400, as indicated in the PH ad. I just missed out on one on e-bay that went for £209 (I was on holiday).

Best of luck with the sale, must be buying something really interesting to get out of an S54.

Ian

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 22:03

Jon - Yep thats fine haha pick me up on it! ok i'll edit the advert in regards to the extras.

As for the bearing shells I still completely stand by what I said, we both know of failures on the S54 Z so imo an owner would be stupid to not carry out the recall on their Z. It was so bad even BMW had to put their hands up and issue a recall on M3's!!

I wouldnt assume the vast majority dont have problems, Randy forbes said that 9 out of the 12 s54 Z cars he saw had wear outside reasonable tolerances so at some point whether it be 30K or 100K they would fail (i'm not a gambling man but what sort of odds are those!!). You also say you think by 40k they would have 'bedded' in and you are safe...I dont think thats true either, over on bimmerforums I found failures on cars over 80k, granted the more mileage decreases the risk but i'd still carry out the maintenance. Some of the 12 cars randy had seen were of higher miles.

You previously said yourself if your S54 hadnt had the recall done you would carry it out! Just because by 40k mine had little wear doesnt mean I shouldnt have done it. I only found this out by changing them! You and I both know BMW should have included the Z3M in the recall, using the lower redline as a shield to not carry out the replacement is a poor excuse and clearly an invalid one

At the end of the day its £800 over possibly £12,000 and a whole lot of worrying about whether they may or may not be ok

So that parts staying i'm afraid

anything else?

Also you have PM about the possible new car

Tim - I know I may regret it, i'm still not 100% sure so this thread and the advert may disappear soonish

TitanTim · Post by **TitanTim** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 22:15

shantybeater wrote:Tim - I know I may regret it, i'm still not 100% sure so this thread and the advert may disappear soonish

I kinda know how you feel, I tend to get very itchy feet with cars and get bored with them and hence change. I'm trying to change my ways, if anything its just costly to do especially on newer cars and after I've spend a shed load on bits and pieces and then not enjoy them on the car. End of the day if its a hobby and makes you happy, you can't ask for more

Tim.

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Wed 15 Dec, 2010 22:18

TitanTim wrote:
shantybeater wrote:Tim - I know I may regret it, i'm still not 100% sure so this thread and the advert may disappear soonish

I kinda know how you feel, I tend to get very itchy feet with cars and get bored with them and hence change. I'm trying to change my ways, if anything its just costly to do especially on newer cars and after I've spend a shed load on bits and pieces and then not enjoy them on the car. End of the day if its a hobby and makes you happy, you can't ask for more

Tim.

You took the words right out of my mouth! its itchy feet!

the longest i've owned a car was the s50 for 2 and a half years!

hornel Z3M · Post by **hornel Z3M** » Thu 16 Dec, 2010 11:53

I have to agree with shantybeater in replacing the shells, even if it does look a bit odd to potential buyers. I had supposidly nothing wrong with my Vanos but decided last week as you all probably read to have it serviced as a precautionary measure. i am now happy if anything does go wrong at least i tried to allay it. As shantybeater was keeping his car at the time of his actions then that was his judgment. Nothing against your remarks Jonttt

offyourmarks · Post by **offyourmarks** » Thu 16 Dec, 2010 13:15

Personally the advert is to attract buyers and hopefully get them to call so there's no way I would start talking about problems associated with the car. Your Market is not just informed BMW fans. If someone asks then Tell them. Reading your ad is supposed to be a positive experience So I would Get rid of fhe negatives and use the space to tell the world how great they are etc etc. Its a great looking car with good Mileage and price so it should sell itself. IMHO the ad will talk people out of buying one as it just goes on about risk and costs.
IlPs sorry about spelling and random capitalisation - on my iPhone.

shantybeater · Post by **shantybeater** » Thu 16 Dec, 2010 17:46

Thanks for the input guys I've removed most of it from the advert, i think you are probably right I dont want to scare buyers away

If anyone has any other comments for improvement of the ad (good or bad!) fire away! I appreciate the input..

Jonttt · Post by **Jonttt** » Thu 16 Dec, 2010 20:43

Better

But I would still remove the bearing reference from the title (you talk about it in the ad which is fine) and replace it with something like no.x of 74 ie emphasise the rarity, "one of the rarest ///M cars ever produced etc....

Matts right, its easy to over think the negatives when your so familiar with a car, remember how you looked at the car when you bought your first

your not trying to hide anything but you are trying to sell it

siwilson · Post by **siwilson** » Fri 17 Dec, 2010 09:34

I had an uncle in the motor trade and he always used to say that less is more. Only put enough info in the add to get people to pick up the phone. Also remember that the only job of the phone call is only to get them to come and see the car. Once you have them on the phone you can start to judge how knowledgable they are and what you information share so they come and see it.

Once you have them in your clutches, well......

Si.

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