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Collinite # 845

Post by Southernboy » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 13:43

I've been looking at waxes, their benefits and comparisons to polishes.
So first thing I discovered in the reading is that a polish is an abrasive. It actually removes a fine layer of the clear coat in the process of application and buffing. This is really great if you have swirl marks or extremely fine scratches in the surface, although a clay bar might work equally well at removing those swirls without all the effort of applying a polish and then buffing the residue off.
Next- Synthetic polishes will provide longer term protection than any wax. A really good synthetic will give you around 6-8 months of protection vs around 4-5 months for a really good wax. If you're the type of person who doesn't enjoy waxing 2 - 3 times a year, then a product like Meguiar's Ultimate polish will be a good choice.
However, there's still the issue of the polish actually stripping of clear coat molecules - are you okay with that is the decision to be made.
So, now to the wax job - The best wax is Carnauba. Everyone seems to be in consensus on that score.
The problems generally associated with waxing is the labour involved. We all like to do the job, but if it takes hours and hours and at the end of the job your body feels as though you've been at the gym for the first time in years, it might dissuade you from waxing. There are waxes like that on the market.
So I had a look at the top 10 waxes and polishes that were rated this year. On the list was a product called Collinite No. 845. Doesn't sound quite as glamorous as Mother's or Meguair's or any other number of well advertised brands. It sounds almost "industrial", and so it should since it was initially developed for aircraft, marine applications and machinery. Given those credentials, one would expect the product would be difficult to work with. I had never come across it before, so I dug deeper. Some reading material revealed that it has been around since the early 1900's. Also I discovered that it is considered the best kept secret by professional detailers. But what totally blew me away was a short You Tube video demonstrating it's application to a car and the end results.
First off it needs to be warmed up to get it to be a liquid. In cold weather it is a thick paste. successful application is based on the "less is more" principal. Very thin coat, and buff before it is fully dry. So, small areas at a time - the bottle recommends 2' x 2'.
The research claims by users, agree that it will provide exceptional protection for up to 5 months - conditions dependent.
In the video, it was shown to have superb hydrophobic properties, and the "beading" was minimal since the bulk of the water just ran off the surface. I noted that it was applied to the windshield in the video, which was a little puzzling, but perhaps it is applicable.
It is 100% wax with some petroleum distillates added to keep it in paste form. It contains no abrasives - strictly a wax.
I have now bought the stuff, and also a bottle of the Meguiar's Ultimate polish. In another article, it was suggested that the car surface 1st be polished with a product such as Meguiar's, and then waxed.
So, this looks like a 2 weekend job - 1st stage, wash and polish, 2nd stage, wash and wax. There-after, I will just wax since the polish should be sealed under the wax for at least a year, and perhaps two.
The grand description on the somewhat humble plastic containers boasts " For Automotive, Marine, RV, Aeronautical and Industrial use" - It describes itself as a "Heavy duty paste" and an "Insulator wax". Apparently it was used as an electrical insulator wax back in the day.
If anyone else has used this product, I would welcome their comments.
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Gazza » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 18:57

Strange you should post this, I’ve been reading up on sealants, polishes and waxes.

I agree that the car should be polished then waxed.

If a sealant has been used then it’s pointless to wax on that.

I was looking at Collinite 476

I waxed the Z4 yesterday using a wax that has been in the garage for years, I did one panel at a time, pouring down with rain today and water is flowing off nicely.
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Southernboy » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 19:33

Hi Gazza
I looked at that too !
My reluctance was mostly that I would be putting in more effort to buff it after application. Here in Johannesburg, the temperature out in the sun is probably in the upper 30's. In my garage with the windows and door open it's still warm enough to keep the 845 in a thin liquid state in the bottle, but it dries within 30 seconds and becomes difficult to buff by hand.
So I've been applying it with both the applicator in one hand and a microfibre buff cloth in the other hand. Basically it's wax on to aprox 2' square and buff off pretty sharply.
I felt if I used the thicker paste, I would need to use a dual action polishing tool to buff with, which would be a real PITA in the more tricky areas.
TBH, I'm really impressed with the 845. I have never achieved such a brilliant result with any other wax product. It's like a "wet look" result.
One thing I read earlier in the evening on google, was a fella saying he uses a Meguair's polish to begin with and then wipes the polished surface with "rubbing alchohol" before applying the Collinite. He reckoned the polish being a synthetic nano type stuff should be used to polish away swirls etc, but not left on the paint in any way since it is a slightly abrasive substance, and adding wax on top of it will mean your wax coat is contaminated with an abrasive. Makes sense I guess - what do you think?
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Gazza » Sat 06 Oct, 2018 19:44

I don’t think a polish is abrasive enough to remove swirl marks, you’d need a compound and a machine to do that effectively.

Maybe just clay bar then polish then wax.

I’ve used a Meguires 3 stage cleaner/polish/wax in the past which was very good (after using a clay bar first)
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Southernboy » Sun 07 Oct, 2018 08:58

Here's a very interesting You Tube video - It would make the Z3 rear window as good as the windscreen !!

Link:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzrYZXdhVwg
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by DC » Tue 09 Oct, 2018 09:07

I've been using it (845) for several years and it's everything Southernboy says, the best and easiest I've ever used.
It lasts the winter season so twice a year application is enough for me.
It's fine on side windows but I try to avoid getting it on the windscreen as the glass gets very smeary whilst using the wipers, not great for night time vision.
I use it on black trim as well as it doesn't dry white and I've also used it on the centre of my steering wheel to get rid of the slight haze which seems to affect lots of Z3s.
Very economical as the less you use the easier and quicker it is to buff off, I can do the whole of the Z in around half an hour.
I use a sponge applicator and buff off with a good quality microfiber cloth.
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Gazza » Tue 23 Oct, 2018 19:29

Just ordered a bottle of 845 to compare with my current wax.

I waxed part of the car two weeks ago, when wet it beads really well, the rest of the car just stays wet
Easier to dry the waxed areas, water spots tend to appear on the unwaxed areas.
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Southernboy » Wed 24 Oct, 2018 07:09

Another useful tip.....
My steering wheel leather had become super shiny over the past 20+ years. Almost looked like it was varnished.
I got some rubbing alcohol and a microfibre cloth and gave it a serious clean. The amount of black filth which appeared on the cloth was a little alarming. At first I thought the alcohol was stripping dye off the leather and I was all set to having to re-dye it... However, it was just an accumulation of years of dust and dirt from the air etc. The end result was a clean smooth matt black leather as if it was new leather !!
I decided to protect the new clean surface and applied some Furniture Clinic's "Leather Finisher" - the Matt version. It's basically a water based acrylic coating which dries to a flat matt finish. Once dry, it is impervious to water. The end result is a brand new look steering wheel.
I have the "M" version steering wheel airbag center piece which is quite a large area of rubbery plastic material which I also cleaned thoroughly with the alcohol. Again it was seriously dirty. Probably an accumulation of dirt and coats of the popular cockpit spray products commonly used to clean interior trim - but which actually doesn't clean and only masks the underlying grime.
Once it was clean, i also applied the matt leather finisher to it and it completed a well finished job.
Problem is the seats now need to be done, because I can see how glossy / shiny they are... a chore for next weekend perhaps.
The rubbing alcohol is easily available from any chemist and I paid around £2 for 500ml here in SA.
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Warrior » Fri 26 Oct, 2018 03:04

I'm fairly sure that one of the names Rubbing Alcohol' is often sold as here in the UK is Surgical Spirit which is good for cleaning glass and mirrors, can be diluted and sprayed to help prevent frosty windows and...............used *under your arms, in your shoes etc., :D

* best I explain! Kills BO dead. Put on at night, wash off in the morning and you'll not need deodorant ever again!

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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Southernboy » Fri 26 Oct, 2018 06:35

Yes - it is also known as surgical spirits... Somehow here in SA, the chemist sells Surgical Spirit and Rubbing alcohol - perhaps one has a higher alcohol content ??
I have never considered spraying it under my arms, but considering what actually causes BO is microbial life waste after feeding on body excretions, I imagine the alcohol either kills them, or they get so wasted on the alcohol they stop functioning normally.. :lol:
Since it is used to clean and disinfect the skin prior to being given an injection, I would imagine it kills any alien life in the area... so possibly a good anti BO treatment.
You have actually tried this as a treatment for BO ?
The same principal would apply to shoes etc, but you will need to clean your feet with it too since that's where the cause originates prior to infecting the shoes, socks etc....
It certainly evaporates very quickly, so wouldn't be a major issue in terms of drying time.
Now.... any suggestions for "funky underwear"..... :roflmao:
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Re: Collinite # 845

Post by Warrior » Fri 26 Oct, 2018 22:41

Yes, to prevent rather than cure. :D
I boxed for a number of years and most of the gyms didn't have showers so i'd rub a bit round the bits that mattered. Only needed a small bottle :oops:

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